Anti-American
I got a note from a reader the other day asking me if I hadn’t become somewhat “anti-American” in some of my writings. It is a reasonable question to ask in these times. If we criticize the actions of the US government, does that make us anti-United States? Here are some thoughts on that.
I have never forgotten the words that a minister friend of mine spoke from his Methodist pulpit some years ago. “We need to not forget that we live in a nation founded on the enslavement of one race of people and the genocide of another.” Harsh words to be sure, but also factually accurate.
This is the USA, a nation in which our declarations about who we are have so often been at long odds with the realities of our actions. At its birth the nation’s founders declared us to be a land dedicated to the proposition that “all men are created equal,” while many of them were still busy selling human beings like commodities off a store shelf. Today our national hypocrisy is embedded in a war based on one lie after another, proving sadly that it takes us roughly three decades to forget that costly lesson.
To be clear however, I do love my home country. I love and miss the wildness of its character. I miss out-there gay people. I miss that glorious mix of immigrants from everywhere. I miss the wonder of little league games. I miss and love the beauty of the land, the glory of how sunrise looks over the San Francisco Bay. I cherish the folk music of the 1930s and those who keep it alive. I miss unabashed rock and roll and people who dance with their whole bodies and not just their hips. And especially, I respect and hold in high esteem those who fight for social justice in my home country, even when it has become so sadly out of fashion to do so.
But when it comes to what this nation, the USA, does in its actions abroad, the gap between our stated values and the actions we take could hardly be wider. From this vantage point of Bolivia we have reported on this many times.
We have reported the story of a Bolivian mother and her baby jailed for nearly two years in the name of helping the US look like it was winning a war on drugs. We have written about how a US corporation, Bechtel, took over Cochabamba’s water and priced it out of reach of the poor, in the name of beefing up profits for one of the wealthiest corporations on Earth. We have written about how a US-controlled institution, the IMF, knowingly coerced Bolivia into an economic squeeze that provoked a bloody public rebellion.
Just as it is a fact that the US “was founded on the enslavement of one race of people and the genocide of another”, so it is true that in many parts of the world, including this one, “American’ has become a synonym for arrogance. Unfortunately, that is not an attitude based on misinformation.
There is, of course, the view reflected on that old bumper strip, “America, Love it or Leave It.” We hear that same mentality expressed today. Here is another view. When we raise our children we do not measure our love by what we let them get away with. We measure it by the ways in which we support them and push them to reach a higher standard. Why should we measure love of country differently than that?
As I see it, the people who love “America” best are not those who see immorality in the commitment of two gays who love one another and see morality in warfare based on a lie. All that, to me, is what is resolutely “anti-American”. I believe that the people who love America most are those who seek to hold it to the standards which we set for ourselves at the start: truth, justice, liberty, freedom, equality.
The day that holding the US to these values becomes “anti-American” is the day when the dream of America will formally be buried.
I have never forgotten the words that a minister friend of mine spoke from his Methodist pulpit some years ago. “We need to not forget that we live in a nation founded on the enslavement of one race of people and the genocide of another.” Harsh words to be sure, but also factually accurate.
This is the USA, a nation in which our declarations about who we are have so often been at long odds with the realities of our actions. At its birth the nation’s founders declared us to be a land dedicated to the proposition that “all men are created equal,” while many of them were still busy selling human beings like commodities off a store shelf. Today our national hypocrisy is embedded in a war based on one lie after another, proving sadly that it takes us roughly three decades to forget that costly lesson.
To be clear however, I do love my home country. I love and miss the wildness of its character. I miss out-there gay people. I miss that glorious mix of immigrants from everywhere. I miss the wonder of little league games. I miss and love the beauty of the land, the glory of how sunrise looks over the San Francisco Bay. I cherish the folk music of the 1930s and those who keep it alive. I miss unabashed rock and roll and people who dance with their whole bodies and not just their hips. And especially, I respect and hold in high esteem those who fight for social justice in my home country, even when it has become so sadly out of fashion to do so.
But when it comes to what this nation, the USA, does in its actions abroad, the gap between our stated values and the actions we take could hardly be wider. From this vantage point of Bolivia we have reported on this many times.
We have reported the story of a Bolivian mother and her baby jailed for nearly two years in the name of helping the US look like it was winning a war on drugs. We have written about how a US corporation, Bechtel, took over Cochabamba’s water and priced it out of reach of the poor, in the name of beefing up profits for one of the wealthiest corporations on Earth. We have written about how a US-controlled institution, the IMF, knowingly coerced Bolivia into an economic squeeze that provoked a bloody public rebellion.
Just as it is a fact that the US “was founded on the enslavement of one race of people and the genocide of another”, so it is true that in many parts of the world, including this one, “American’ has become a synonym for arrogance. Unfortunately, that is not an attitude based on misinformation.
There is, of course, the view reflected on that old bumper strip, “America, Love it or Leave It.” We hear that same mentality expressed today. Here is another view. When we raise our children we do not measure our love by what we let them get away with. We measure it by the ways in which we support them and push them to reach a higher standard. Why should we measure love of country differently than that?
As I see it, the people who love “America” best are not those who see immorality in the commitment of two gays who love one another and see morality in warfare based on a lie. All that, to me, is what is resolutely “anti-American”. I believe that the people who love America most are those who seek to hold it to the standards which we set for ourselves at the start: truth, justice, liberty, freedom, equality.
The day that holding the US to these values becomes “anti-American” is the day when the dream of America will formally be buried.

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54 Comments:
wow. you write very well. very clear and bold.
interesting blog.. thanks!
I wanted to post a comment since the other day I discovered you. I really like the discussions about Bolivia developed from your blog and I consider you have a pretty good understanding of what the country is like. I am Bolivian and I belong to that "elite" that has the power, the money and everything, because that is the way things are there, but I am not proud of it and I see that things like they are now are unsustainable. I cannot say who I would vote for (if we actually have elections) if I was there... I know I wouldn't vote for Tuto -He's definitely one of the bad guys- and I wouldnt vote for Evo either... I can't imagine what would happen with him in power... as for Doria Medina, I don't even know what to say about him; he's not terribly bad I suppose but in the end he's just a business man. Anyway, I suppose there is no way out, if Evo wins, it will be quite difficult for him to actually get into power, but ewhat would the people (and Evo's followers) do if the others team up and leave him out? But if he actually becomes the president, what would happen to my country? I dont really believe he has bad intentions, or that he wants to support drug dealers or anything like that. He just fights back against a society that doesn't offer him and those like him any other way. Maybe that is the only way out and we need to start over again, but then again maybe its a little too late for that now.
As for actual comments on what you wrote about the USA, let me just tell you one thing: my first thought when I saw the twin towers falling down, was: they deserved it anyway. My respects to all the people that dies and my condolences to all their families, but if americans don't change the attitudes of their government toward the rest of the world -and it's in your hands- you will be getting a lot more of that.
Thank you Jim. Awesome post.
Just so you know, some of us, the "imports" love the US for those reasons you have listed here too.
Many love the idea of America, they love the unusual idea that we are all equal, that wild notion that provided the ground for freedom to be kept alive. Not the freedom to sack or become obscenely rich and step on others. Not the freedom that is "given" forcefully but the one we were naturally born with.
Sadly, many love America because it is their piggy bank, to many, the US is their favorite great prostitute that feeds them, gives them their entoxicating materialism and consumerim and for that they feel proud. They are proud because they live in a country that makes them rich. They love the land that allows them to hurt others legally, they love the land that lets them get away with it. They skip the price entirely though. They do not contemplate the cost to other nations, other peoples, they only fit in the minds and hearts as much as their wallets can fit dollar bills and receipts.
And if AMerica stops providing, they will turn on it in a heart beat.
well put. of course it will never convince the 'love-it-or-leave-it' crowd, but you've got to keep trying, don't you?!
"...the dream of America is formally buried."
welcome to the world.
Cpl. DC USMC
Thank you for writing this. Very beautiful. Sad but, as you say, factual...
Also thanks for letting people post anonymously. It not perfect anonymity but helpful.
What is great about the USA is that it is the land of the opportunity to excel by using your own efforts.
To prove it, just see how many people of the world want to migrate to America. I know Bolivians that prefer to work illegally as a cook in the US rather than an Engineer in Bolivia. Also, a 20 year old woman that married a 45 year old man just to get a green card for 2 years and study…what a living hell she went through just for the American dream.
But American is not only great to allow you do as well as you CAN…it is a country that is continuously learning and changing. Take racism…American people got smarter and realized that there is no need to be afraid on people’s differences…now the same will happen with gays…all of these issues are brain issues, and America learns and reforms accordingly.
And then, we have Jim’s point…America gives you the freedom to express your opinion. Now, if you convince a majority to think like you…then you might be able to cause REFORM, changes in America. Thus, Jim is not being anti-American by saying that the Bush administration did wrong in going to war based on a lie…he is just giving his point of view. Does the majority think like him? Well, last election prove it that Americans didn’t care too much about that lie and re-elected Bush…you see, need majority to cause REFORM.
Now Laura, you are entitle to your opinion…” my first thought when I saw the twin towers falling down, was: they deserved it anyway”…and your justification: “if Americans don't change the attitudes of their government toward the rest of the world …you will be getting a lot more of that”
Well, I just hope you are not among the majority…and perhaps, you had better thoughts afterwards.
Now tell me Laura and the rest thinkers alike….What would happen to the world if the USA decides to be passive about their foreign policy?? What would happen if the USA closes themselves inside their borders and let other world leaders do what ever they want?
Check out history…humans have the tendency to eliminate the weak. Thus, until recent, countries geographical boundaries had been changing because of wars…someone invading the other is my focus. Our last lesson, World War II. Why do you think there are no more invasions from one country to the other after World War II?
Why doesn’t the USA go and invade weak countries? The US has all the military power of the world. Do you think that if Bush goes nuts and decides to nuke some country…he will actually be able to do it? Not at all!...America has checks and balances to avoid this…Do you think this kind of checks and Balances where present on Iraq at the time of Sadam Hussein?? Do you think Muslim fundamentalist worry about checks and balances…they are nuts!!
What would happen if the US let’s all the drug lords in South America do as they please? …what would happen to Bolivia? …Bolivia is still on the world map simply because the US decided to police the world …I am a Bolivian and I don’t have an issue with this.
Then again, I just hope your after thought are better than you first thoughts Laura.
Saludos,
Javier F.
Javier F:
Please see my replies below:
You wrote:
To prove it, just see how many people of the world want to migrate to America. I know Bolivians that prefer to work illegally as a cook in the US rather than an Engineer in Bolivia. Also, a 20 year old woman that married a 45 year old man just to get a green card for 2 years and study…what a living hell she went through just for the American dream.
This is too simplistic. It's like saying: "'1+1=2' therefore, I know math."
Why don't you consider other aspects, for the sake of getting closer to reality:
- there's the element of inferiority complex, "anywhere is better than Bolivia"
- Many go through anything to get "capital" to go back and get started in their home countries. they don't care about 'freedom'or be American.
- Many feel being American is the equivalent of being a movie star or better
- Many have absolutely nothing to live on and would migrate anywhere (Spain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc.)
- Many have to leave because their countries are devastated by their own corrupt goverments and the US policies that systematically interfere with them (see what the US emabssy does in La Paz during the Goni human rights abuses for example)
- A lot of the "3rd Worldism" is caused by the IMF, World bank which are controlled by the US
You also wrote:
And then, we have Jim’s point…America gives you the freedom to express your opinion. Now, if you convince a majority to think like you…then you might be able to cause REFORM, changes in America. Thus, Jim is not being anti-American by saying that the Bush administration did wrong in going to war based on a lie…he is just giving his point of view. Does the majority think like him? Well, last election prove it that Americans didn’t care too much about that lie and re-elected Bush…you see, need majority to cause REFORM.
I would disagree. Mayority did not vote for Bush, mayority did not re-elect him. Look at the numbers and look at how many people actually voted out of 300 million citizens. (the ones old enough to vote, obsviously)
You also wrote:
Now Laura, you are entitle to your opinion…” my first thought when I saw the twin towers falling down, was: they deserved it anyway”…and your justification: “if Americans don't change the attitudes of their government toward the rest of the world …you will be getting a lot more of that”
Well, I just hope you are not among the majority…and perhaps, you had better thoughts afterwards.
Deep inside, sorry to break it to you, but many, many, many felt exactly the same way as Laura, the issue should not be wether she will have better thoughts afterwards. The issue should be raising the question as to WHY do people feel that way! The answer may not be pretty and may not make the US look very good.
Now,
Now tell me Laura and the rest thinkers alike….What would happen to the world if the USA decides to be passive about their foreign policy?? What would happen if the USA closes themselves inside their borders and let other world leaders do what ever they want?
This strikes me as well intetioned but I'm afraid, naive. Is the US the master, the police, the authority to keep everyone in check? WHY? becuase of the nukes? the money? the tanks? Please think about your statement!
Have you considered the possibility that what you said might be a tad arrogant? have you consider the possibility that is precisely one of the problems haunting the US actions around the world? maybe they hates us because we think and act that way?
..and then this:
Check out history…humans have the tendency to eliminate the weak. Thus, until recent, countries geographical boundaries had been changing because of wars…someone invading the other is my focus. Our last lesson, World War II. Why do you think there are no more invasions from one country to the other after World War II?
Sounds like the rethoric I hear all the time coming from Republicans. They sound like jocks longing for a macho country, full of ignorance and fear. They believe in evolution only when it is convenient, then they want to teach your children creationism.
Now,
Why doesn’t the USA go and invade weak countries? The US has all the military power of the world. Do you think that if Bush goes nuts and decides to nuke some country…he will actually be able to do it? Not at all!...America has checks and balances to avoid this…Do you think this kind of checks and Balances where present on Iraq at the time of Sadam Hussein?? Do you think Muslim fundamentalist worry about checks and balances…they are nuts!!
The US does invade the ones that have national security, or national interest value, like OIL rich countries for example. The US does not invade the other weak, meaningless countries because it doesn't need to. The US already controls them economically. Why have our good looking soldiers die for no reason?
Also, your question begs another question, does the US NOT invade strong (nukes holders) countries? (I have North korea and Iran in mind)
What would happen if the US let’s all the drug lords in South America do as they please? …what would happen to Bolivia? …Bolivia is still on the world map simply because the US decided to police the world …I am a Bolivian and I don’t have an issue with this.
The US already lets them do whatever they want. Call me a conspiracy theorist, or terrorist, but the money from drugs plays a very important role in the world economy. We never voted for that, but take a look. Just look at the opium production in Afghanistan AFTER the US took over. (opium-->heroin) The Taliban was horrible for the opium business. Now, it's thriving! Thanks US!
Then again, I just hope your after thought are better than you first thoughts Laura.
Me too, I hope you slow down and think a little harder. Thanks for your post.
Don’t be mad, MAD…
Javier: To prove it, … American dream.
Mad: This is too simplistic. It's like saying: "'1+1=2' therefore, I know math."
Do you want it to be complex to prove this point? Perhaps you want to hear 40 cases about Bolivians migrating to the US. Maybe by checking the stats from the US migration entity we can tell how many people in the world is trying to get “legally” into the US…and how many have to wait years for it…nothing against this…is just the way it is.
Mad: Why don't you consider other aspects, for the sake of getting closer to reality:
- there's the element of inferiority complex, "anywhere is better than Bolivia"
- Many go through anything to get "capital" to go back and get started in their home countries. they don't care about 'freedom'or be American.
- Many feel being American is the equivalent of being a movie star or better
- Many have absolutely nothing to live on and would migrate anywhere (Spain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc.)
- Many have to leave because their countries are devastated by their own corrupt goverments and the US policies that systematically interfere with them (see what the US emabssy does in La Paz during the Goni human rights abuses for example)
- A lot of the "3rd Worldism" is caused by the IMF, World bank which are controlled by the US
Ok, you give me examples of what you think “many” think have reasons to migrate…I was not debating the reason to leave a country to go to another. I am saying that is proven that the US is a magnet for people wanting to migrate. But, from where did you get that many feel being American is being a movie star?
So, the US interference cause devastation in countries…I am sure you can give examples. Bolivia perhaps is devastated because of US interference?
Ok, you think the US controls the IMF, world bank, etc…how come? …because it is the main source of money to this banks so that they can provide help (loans)? …give me more examples.
This banks lend money…Bolivian politicians accept this offers…but then, other politicians have to pay the debt. Any bank does pressure to get their money back….is this your example on how this institutions devastate “3rd Worldism” ?
Javier: And ….Jim’s point… need majority to cause REFORM.
Mad: I would disagree. Majority did not vote for Bush, majority did not re-elect him. Look at the numbers and look at how many people actually voted out of 300 million citizens. (the ones old enough to vote, obviously)
Spin it any way you want …Bush is the current re-elected US president. And perhaps, you will live the same in Bolivia…Evo will get the majority, but the current system might get Tuto in the presidency.
But, don’t have the exact figures, you are welcome to let us know how many voted for Bush and how many for Kery out of the total number of votes casted.
Javier: Now Laura,….
Mad: Deep inside, sorry to break it to you, but many, many, many felt exactly the same way as Laura, the issue should not be wether she will have better thoughts afterwards. The issue should be raising the question as to WHY do people feel that way! The answer may not be pretty and may not make the US look very good.
Really? Normally I would say, no one wishes harm to another human been. I believe that many, many, much many than you think believe that the US did not deserve a terroristic attack like the one in 9/11 …neither Spain deserved, neither England.
Why do people feel this way? Good question… I don’t happen to find a single person that can explain this to me…so please, MAD, explain me why do you feel this way? Why do you feel the US deserved?
Javier: What would happen to the world if the USA decides to be passive about their foreign policy?? …
Mad: This strikes me as well intetioned but I'm afraid, naive. Is the US the master, the police, the authority to keep everyone in check? WHY? becuase of the nukes? the money? the tanks? Please think about your statement!
Have you considered the possibility that what you said might be a tad arrogant? have you consider the possibility that is precisely one of the problems haunting the US actions around the world? maybe they hates us because we think and act that way?
Please answer my question! …maybe your are too naive to answer.
Currently the US is the police of the world…why? Yes, because many reasons…but to prove this is not the debate…to answer what would happened to the world if the US stops being the police of the world would perhaps make you realize why we need a police.
Javier: Check out history… World War II?
Mad: Sounds like the rhetoric I hear all the time coming from Republicans. They sound like jocks longing for a macho country, full of ignorance and fear. They believe in evolution only when it is convenient, then they want to teach your children creationism.
I don’t think is good to pick sides when you want to debate issues….it blinds your mind. If it sounds republican or democrat…why do you care? Perhaps you are ready to be judgmental and make me a republican? …if you do this, that is it, nothing that I say would be received with an open mind…just because I sound like a republican…forget about it dude! ….forget about how things sound and focus on examples and facts…like history.
Javier: Why doesn’t the USA go and invade weak countries? …they are nuts!!
Mad: The US does invade the ones that have national security, or national interest value, like OIL rich countries for example. The US does not invade the other weak, meaningless countries because it doesn't need to. The US already controls them economically. Why have our good looking soldiers die for no reason?
Also, your question begs another question, does the US NOT invade strong (nukes holders) countries? (I have North korea and Iran in mind)
You are talking about economical invasion, I am talking about the old fashioned military invasion…this is the reason I brought up the History paragraph….but I guess you are to blind at this point making me “sound” like a republican.
Javier: What would …I am a Bolivian and I don’t have an issue with this.
Mad: The US already lets them do whatever they want. Call me a conspiracy theorist, or terrorist, but the money from drugs plays a very important role in the world economy. We never voted for that, but take a look. Just look at the opium production in Afghanistan AFTER the US took over. (opium-->heroin) The Taliban was horrible for the opium business. Now, it's thriving! Thanks US!
Well, I am sure you have many good examples about this!
Drug problems…indeed a economic problem. Demand and Supply…simple. But don’t want to debate the solution to the US drug problem…focus on Jose Escobar for instance…what would had happen to Colombia if the US did not pressure to take him out? I am not saying the problem (violence) in Colombia is solved…but certainly we haven’t seen another one like him…right?
Javier: Then again, I just hope your after thought are better than you first thoughts Laura.
Mad: Me too, I hope you slow down and think a little harder. Thanks for your post.
Don’t slow down on your thinking….just provide more example to dispute an idea and let your emotional anti-republicans feelings for later…maybe for the next US election.
Thanks for your reply, Saludos,
Javier F.
OK "dude" relax, I'm not bent on trying to make you "sound" Republican. I was just pointing out how much what you said reminds me of what republicans scream from the top of their lungs in am radio and the FOXnews channel..."we have to be strong, we can't show weakness, we have to show the world, we are the best in the world, we are "free", they hate us because we are free, we are good they are bad, we are great they are evil, etc.." all that childish / macho nonsense.
I guess I could try to simplify, here are some issues we should look at on both sides to better begin to address the problem:
On the US side:
- ignorance
- oversimplification
- acting out of fear
- arrogance
- ignorance
- ignorance
- religious fundamentalism
- selfishness
- egocentrism
- ignorance!
- apathy
- lack of motivation
- FEAR of the "different"
On the "enemy" (according to Bush, the "evil-doers") side:
- desperation
- lack of hope
- anger/frustration
- religious fundamentalism
- ignorance
- dispair
- hunger
- lack of anything to lose
- exhaustion of being exploited and taken advantage of
When I say "slow down" I mean, slow down and think, not slow your down your thinking. (for the sake of clarity)
And as to "old fashion" (glorious) military invasions, are you thinking about Granada? How about Panama? Would bombings be included? (Libya?)
And about taking sides, well, if calling you on your careless statements makes me take a side, I guess I can't help it. If you cling to history, maybe you should read it more carefully and not just use it as props without looking at the whole picture. The context I guess becomes also important.
The argument that many people want to come to America therefore America must be the best country in the world is similar to:
A have a male friend who doesn't have a girlfriend, therefore he must be gay.
See how ridiculous it can get?
You also said:
Really? Normally I would say, no one wishes harm to another human been. I believe that many, many, much many than you think believe that the US did not deserve a terroristic attack like the one in 9/11 …neither Spain deserved, neither England.
Why do people feel this way? Good question… I don’t happen to find a single person that can explain this to me…so please, MAD, explain me why do you feel this way? Why do you feel the US deserved?
Well, let's not be so simplistic. Of course you should not mean other harm but that is not the point.
Why do people feel this way? Why do they hate the US? Why did the terrorists crash those planes in the towers? Why do they want to blow us up?
Well, how about the following:
The US has in a way brought a lot of it on itself by:
- creating an environment that grows hate towards its policies around the world
- exploiting, humiliating, abusing, cheating, manipulating other countries
- creating unfair trade, loss of opportunities for other countries
- globalization and its horrible effect on humanity
- letting the corporations run the world unchecked
- condoning economic policies that drove people against eachother.
- by propping up dictators that massacred their own people (remember Saddam? how about the bin-ladens? and not to forget the Saudis?)
- creating and environment of dispair and unfairness toward the poorest countries / peoples
- lending money with huge strings attached supporting corrupt leaders for profit and for the sole benefit of the richest
- being the world police
- being arrogant
- behaving like an empire
- executing the neocons agenda
- using most of the world's energy and making the world and environment pay for it.
Terrorism, in a twisted way seems to have become a response, a result, a reply to the extended period of time the US (and its allies) have taken advantage and wronged other cultures. Now add to all this the fact that some of those other cultures have inmese historical social, economic, religious problems within themselves, some have the "we used to run the show" complex and they are pissed when the new boss comes and steps on them, others have the fanatism, some have cultural traits that make them prone for conflict, etc.. those problems alone are not however, what caused terrorism to show its ugly head. When Bush announced "they hate us because we are free" I laughed, then to my shock, I realized some people actually believed it.
It's complex. And I do not deny the fact that the US does have citizens that help other countries, the US does have people like Jim who sacrifice a lot moving to other countries to work for the improvement of the people in those countries. I guess that there is a good reason why I love America, it's the people man, a few powerful and greedy overshadow the greatness of the people that actually do good around the world, they actually try to offset the harm done by those in power.
"forget about how things sound and focus on examples and facts…like history."
Javier, be sure to check out my classic history book: A People's History of the United States.
Jim, insightful post but as someone said it will likely have no effect on those indoctrinated by the dominant pardadigm. We need strong people to convince the majority in the U.S. what is really going on but also examples in other countries which will eventualy be unhidable by the media's Big Lie.
Unfortunately good examples get shot in the US (MLK, X, Green Panthers), fortunately many such as you have migrated and work from without the beast.
Hallo, found you through the blog Progressive Ireland and Irish Blogs.
your writing is informing. I recently watched The Motorcycle Diaries, and reading some of what your are writing here brings back some of the images from that movie. Keep up the writing, will be back
Yeap…let’s all relax…we might get to type less ;-)
I am more inclined and motivated to debate about Bolivian issues rather than American ones, so I will be succinct just to make mad happier….3 points:
Gay is the man without girlfriend? …well of course I agree with you, a stupid and ridiculous statement.
The statement that America is so great that thousands of people want to migrate per year is backed up with a lot of immigration statistics…not to mention the many cases many of us know about the lengths people do to migrate.
Therefore, trying to compare this fact with your example…is not simply ridiculous, is out of focus.
The main point here is…people do love the idea to come to America, they do a lot of things in order to come, they might not love America at that moment, but after they are legally establish in the land of opportunity…then, they love America. And, I believe that they also like the idea that America is a learning machine and also enables people to disagree with administration policy allowing the people to reform if a majority is found.
So now, the American hater issue…
Mad, you tell us all the reasons “you think”, perhaps perceive, people hate America …would be interesting to know what are your sources to back up your perceptions. Now, I think will be better to debate this issue with an individual American Hater, that way would be better to understand his/her reasons and motivations.
Now, disagreeing with America does not make you Anti-American, much less American Hater. To love or hate are emotional condition with a strong characteristic…does not allow you to think.
Therefore, I believe there are many that disagree with America, very few that HATE America. The ones that hate and are willing to kill for hate…I see them like cancer…and like such, it has to be studied to prevent and to exterminate if present.
And lastly, history… no mad, this is not a competition about who knows more history…so I will not ask you to study it more or to use it right…just bring the historical facts with the right focus.
In my initial post I said:
Thus, until recent, countries geographical boundaries had been changing because of wars…someone invading the other is my focus.
And that was the old fashion military invasion…the strong invading the weak. Now, did geographical limits among countries changes in Granada, Panama or Libya?
As far as I know, there were a lot of invasion on War World II…but at the end…limits changed a little if at all. So here is the trivia question…when was the last time a country had to change its limits lines due a military invasion from another?? ….perhaps Bolivia, guerra del Chaco in the early 1930s.
So then my question is, why don’t we see these changes on boundaries among countries since, say, the last 50 years? History has shown us that it was a normal current event to do so.
Well, the world created the UN with the US as its main supporter.
Things would be worse without a police in your city right?
Saludos, Javier
Javier:
Sorry for the quick reply, but I have little time today.
The main point here is…people do love the idea to come to America, they do a lot of things in order to come, they might not love America at that moment, but after they are legally establish in the land of opportunity…then, they love America. And, I believe that they also like the idea that America is a learning machine and also enables people to disagree with administration policy allowing the people to reform if a majority is found.
You can say the same about Bolivia, Canada, Spain, England, Switzerland, or any country in the world. People adopt their new home for a range of reasons. Economical factors pushed them there, but they have to adapt. America is not greta becase you have millions of inmigrants wanting in. Have you considered the idea that maybe US actions around the world in part have caused these people to abandon the home they love in search of a way out? Woudl you like to live in a hole in the ground or the house of your master? Of course, there are other million factors, but I ahve to poin this one out to show you how weak i feel your assessment is.
Mad, you tell us all the reasons “you think”, perhaps perceive, people hate America …would be interesting to know what are your sources to back up your perceptions. Now, I think will be better to debate this issue with an individual American Hater, that way would be better to understand his/her reasons and motivations.
OK. Without a rela need to get you specific statitiscal data, you could read other newspapers, specially the foreign ones to see what the world goes through. Read this blog and see through the window Jim has built for us to peek inside Bolivia. Read how the US embassy intervention has added to the pain and suffering od the Bolivian people.
Therefore, I believe there are many that disagree with America, very few that HATE America. The ones that hate and are willing to kill for hate…I see them like cancer…and like such, it has to be studied to prevent and to exterminate if present.
What if the US actions causes the cancer to grow? Perhaps we should try to check our own actions and question them?
It's like having a master that physically and unreasonably punishes its children on a regular basis, one day one of them strikes back. Should the master blame the child for striking back?
This reminds me about the "indians" in Bolivia. I hear a lot of people complain about their inability to "govern", their incompetence, their ineptitude, etc.. how terrible it will eb to ahve them in power. They don't even consider the posibility that maybe, they created that environment where the "indians" never got fair access to education to be able to grow and educate themselves to maybe one day rule their own land. A true CATCH-22. As an indian, you were born to serve your white master, therefore you don't get the same access to education as your master, therefore, you are ignorant. Because you are ignorant, you don't get to lead your white master.
And that was the old fashion military invasion…the strong invading the weak. Now, did geographical limits among countries changes in Granada, Panama or Libya?
OK, if you wnat to keep it oversimplified, you would be right. Their borders stayed the same. The obliteration of their sovereignity and dignity was wiped out, their dependence and economic stagnation was ensured. In other words, those countries were hit hard and were kept in line by the boss.
As far as I know, there were a lot of invasion on War World II…but at the end…limits changed a little if at all. So here is the trivia question…when was the last time a country had to change its limits lines due a military invasion from another?? ….perhaps Bolivia, guerra del Chaco in the early 1930s.
Hey, I don't claim to be a history buff. If you look at the world, in all the places where there is something of value to the US, you can bet the US will be there in some way or fashion. With contractors, with "aid", with troops, with arms, with "loans", building bases or influencing its government to shape itself to benefit US corproations/interests. In some way, the US will be there. Calling this military invasions is a strech if we were to compare to Vietnam for example. Would vietnam fit your criteria?
Just try to find out how many troops are deployed aroudn the world, on what countries and for how long. You will be surprised, but your faith is the US cop talents will be soothed.
So then my question is, why don’t we see these changes on boundaries among countries since, say, the last 50 years? History has shown us that it was a normal current event to do so.
You imply the US police action or superpower status has ensured order in the world. I think that's arrogant. You are acting like the mexican-american inmigration officer at the border. He is much tougher and colder than his white counterparts. Why? because he's got "religion", he's bought into the "American" way and he has to prove himself in front of his colleagues, he has to prove he is not "mexican" therefore he becomes tougher. He outdoes himself. You have adopted the US police role, it has become your religion. Have you considered other factors? How about strictly economical factors? Remember, Kuwait, Iraq were drawn by the British, for what? OIL.
Things would be worse without a police in your city right?
Arquing whether the US being the world police is right or wrong with you has become like arguing about religion. You have your faith in the US being the cop, I can't argue on that anymore. I think you contribute to the problem and until there is real change of heart, the world will continue this war. It will be endless.
Thanks for the discussion.
I always so sick at rich Americans who go to the rest of the world to tell it that American is evil. My brother and cousin live in America and without there help we are suffering. My comunity survives because we have so much help from friends and family who work in America. Only rich Americans and rich Mexicans are so confortable they feel good talking bad about USA.
You say “We need to not forget that we live in a nation founded on the enslavement of one race of people and the genocide of another.” The same as Mexico, my land. The same as Bolivia. CAn you tell me one country in American continent that this is not true?
Very good article, excellently writen. Don't stop talking about your country, you do it very well.
It is interesting this sort of self evaluation of good and wrong, saint ore evil, why do foreignness and Americans alike love and hate America or American citizens; why do Bolivians do; Well, you all are right and wrong, including Jim. In effect, the US government policy, Republican & Democrat, is one out of several other countries policies that effect in Bolivia in a way that there is little opportunity for us, Bolivians, to really achieve in our country economic wellbeing similar to the one we can get in the USA for the same amount of work, that is why we emigrate. If the USA in particular is doing a good job on policing the world, Bolivia included, like is current government is doing it, my personal opinion is that they are really screwing up. At this precise moment the USA government’s policy, not necessarily the USA people’s policy is too arrogant and aggressive in those Countries they have immediate economic interest; Bolivia is not included in this group yet. In fact, the USA intervention en Bolivia at this moment is so week, and was so poorly administered since the Banzer’s administration, that fascism and racism has grow in a way that we may be seeing in this country the reborn of a NAZI movement, I like o call it MASI movement; with, of course or own ethnic taste. I am not saying the US should start planning the military invasion to Bolivia, but I am saying that not all of the US policy is always devastating to a country, and that being a 100% anti US government policy is not a solution for what Bolivia is going to pass in the next few months. Let’s try to be centered in a way that we can achieve good living conditions without having to screw up our neighbor. Best regards
Let’s focus in Bolivia then…
Mad wrote…”OK. Without a rela need to get you specific statitiscal data, you could read other newspapers, specially the foreign ones to see what the world goes through. Read this blog and see through the window Jim has built for us to peek inside Bolivia. Read how the US embassy intervention has added to the pain and suffering od the Bolivian people.”
I don’t know what newspapers you read, but you give Jim’s blog as a good reference to peek inside Bolivia. Then I can conclude that you just like to read what you like to hear.
Jim provides information about Bolivia; but does not provide balanced information. I can also sense that he goes hard on Tuto and Doria Medina making reference that Tuto studied in Texas, worked for IBM, and killed Bolivians in one year after Banzer’s death. And Doria, well, the Burger King of Bolivia, the cement lord.
While these assertions are truth, the way you communicate them shows you how inclined he is towards his believes, and also, will make audience that feel like him to like him….i personally don’t care on the style of writing…I care about facts and analysis.
What I sense here is a dislike with corporate America…thus, the funny post about a would-be president from Pepsi, plus the many times bad grades are given to IMF, BID, World Bank etc without trying to give balance to the good things they do….but I don’t see specific examples that will try to prove how a policy from this entities devastates Bolivia.
If Jim would be more balanced he would also be addressing current events in Bolivia like the ones you can find on Bolivian newspapers:
Coca – Cocain
(21 Sep 2005) El MAS propone despenalizar la coca, UN y Podemos rechazan la oferta - Los Tiempos
(15 Jun 2005) La producción de coca y de cocaína sube - La Razón
(25 Sep 2005) La coca entra en el terreno electoral y enfrenta a los candidatos - Los Tiempos
Evo against Constitutional Tribunal
(06 Oct 2005) El MAS cuestiona al Tribunal Constitucional sin motivo - El Nuevo Día
(06 Oct 2005) Evo dice que Tribunal paga facturas a Goni - Correo del Sur
(06 Oct 2005) MAS pide a tribunos terminar con la incertidumbre sobre elecciones - Opinión
Evo said: "Sé y conozco quiénes son y tengo la documentación para saber de dónde vienen y qué comportamiento tuvieron. No es posible que tres o cuatro personas llamados tribunos perjudiquen al pueblo boliviano…”
The current hot potatoe – Distribution of Congressional sits
(24 Sep 2005) Evo plantea modificación de escaños para después del cuatro de diciembre - Opinión
Morales, quien no se opuso al cumplimiento del reciente fallo del Tribunal Constitucional que ordenó corregir la asignación de escaños sobre la base del Censo 2001, sostuvo sin embargo, que el dictamen "es una provocación a los movimientos sociales" ejercida por sectores pudientes que "no quieren el cambio" …
Maybe you should try to read other newspapers Mad, that way you can get a more balanced peek inside my country.
Saludos, Javier F.
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Good blog on Bolivia. When I get the time to put in due diligence I will share some more thoughts, having just spent the latter half of the summer researching Desarrollo Alternativo in the Tropico de Cochabamba. As per those who feel you are anti-American, I would like to share my personal perspective: "Only one who has a superficial and, thus, meaningless love of something would be content with an approach of idle acceptance; it is with consistent questioning that progress can be substantively achieved."
I kept a pictorial blog of my time there, but will eventually have a link to our final paper. We will be presenting on our findings at Columbia University in NY, and anyone interested in Bolivia is obviously invited.
As for your Democracy Center, Jim, I would love for you guys to get our report; I think it would prove useful for your efforts.
Here's my blog if you're interested in the pics: http://startthejourney.blogspot.com/
I also have a link on the blog to a more artistic look at Bolivia.
Best and will be in touch.
Ramon Escobar
Masters Candidate
Sciences-Po at Paris &
Columbia University at NYC
Anti American is to engage in a campaigned for global domination and domestic concentrations of wealth by an elite; to distort, dissemble, and lie about the goals and conduct of American foreign policy to both Congress and the public; to undermines democratic institution; to concentrate power on an elite; to destroy the principles of check and balances; to eliminate the separation of powers; to erode individual liberty; to reduce policy issues to a choice between Good and Evil; to use fear as a political instrument to persuade Americans into believing that our way of life is under imminent threat by Evil doers; to dismiss all criticism as anti-American.
Cpl. DC USMC
Javier, thanks for finally showing your true colors as a spokesman for the mainstream bolivian print media.
I think many who read this blog are well aware that the same class, corporate and personal interests that pervade U.S. media also are present in La Razon, Los Tiempos, etc.
Throw in Bolpress.com, econoticiasbolivia.com, bolivia.indymedia.org, this blog, and all the papers, and you might start to get a representative picture of OUR country.
Anonymous:
You wrote:
Anti American is to engage in a campaigned for global domination and domestic concentrations of wealth by an elite; to distort, dissemble, and lie about the goals and conduct of American foreign policy to both Congress and the public; to undermines democratic institution; to concentrate power on an elite; to destroy the principles of check and balances; to eliminate the separation of powers; to erode individual liberty; to reduce policy issues to a choice between Good and Evil; to use fear as a political instrument to persuade Americans into believing that our way of life is under imminent threat by Evil doers; to dismiss all criticism as anti-American.
This is so pure it is beautiful.
Thanks for posting it.
Mad.
I know how you feel on this one. I too have been "accused" at times of being "anti-American."
I agree with you.
John
This blog is overall interesting and mind-provoking and most of all, debatable. It's even more interesting to read one-by-one comment from people all over the world here.
I have not gone through all of your written-ups, honestly and it deserves me to say nothing (or decry) about US and so forth... but if anyone says USA is the model of captalism, I'd say yes it is. Now the USA governement is practising its own foreign affair policy as well as economy policy, well, it's crystal-clear that 'eyes' could see those policies are almost come to the end. Quite pitiful to the citizens there as many of them are so inspiring and ambitious - but they must take also the responsibility of re-electing the current leader. Rights of voice freedom is actually degrading in USA compared to the 'peak' during the Nixon's era; money is running out where billions are wasted to fight 'terrorism' and for military use.
Only today the Kyoto's treaty stresses that USA, the world's biggest polluter should play one of the main leader in tackling the global warmth without giving any excuses. (Australia, China and India are on USA's side too)
We'll expect more traumatic events would come in future.
Nice blog, keep on...
To Grupo Prisa, please don't try to disqualify Javier with the easy argument of: you read papers then you are "spokesman for the mainstream bolivian print media", particularly when he was quoting the "news" sections of papers, where you find factual reporting of daily or current events, unless you can prove the reporting is false, then the quotes are valid. In any argument it is good to see both sides of the coin to have a balanced opinion. I have checked your suggested references: Bolpress.com, econoticiasbolivia.com, and Bolivia.indymedia.org and found a good amount of "personal opinions" such as the ones you find in this blog, but nothing to cast a doubt on the veracity of the quoted material; on the other hand, you can review the article in Bolpress 2005-09-27 and Indymedia 07/10/2005 "El MAS y el problema del narcotrafico" that reinforces Javier's point. Thank you
i think you should change the name of your blog to
Lamento Boliviano....
I cant help but hear that song playing in my head when I read your posts....
un saludo...
Not trying to disqualify Javier, just point out that he is coming from a certain point of view. There is no such thing as objective "news", it all depends on personal bias, even coming down to the choice of what to report, who to interview, etc.
For example, none of the "mainstream" media reported the story of el presidente Pepsi, which unless Jim made it up and I don't think so, I'm sure at least one person at all of these newspapers knew about the story.
Bolpress has many opinion pieces which gets a little frustrating but there is also actual "news" in there.
So, my main point was read as many sources as possible, then people make up their own minds.
You are WRONG grupo prisa (GP).
The news that you have in a newspaper are at least 85% objective and 15% subjective because they are describing current events, facts, things that are happening.
I attribute the subjectivity to intended omissions while describing, the use of adjectives (overloaded on blogs) and suggestive positions….but this is limited and controllable by the editor and his employers.
And also, the subjectivity is relevant on the critical person that is gauging it….and judging by the references you gave, you like opinions more than facts.
Newspapers are business; therefore, they will try to stay in the center as much as they can because they go out of business or become heaven for a small group of people looking after sensationalism.
Further more, the more newspapers you read…the gap between objectivity and subjectivity gets wider and also you can realize what is news-worthy.
Do you think that every time a successful Bolivian that worked for a corporation is worth to be in the news?
Perhaps would be interesting for whom thinks that corporations, capitalism, etc are the evil for Bolivia and even America…and then, how dare, they want to come an use the same way of doing business to save Bolivia.
So, I guess you got color blinded GP for seeing my TRUE colors ;-)
Saludos, Javier F.
The USA is becoming a nation of two classes, rich and poor. Most people here don't give a damn about anybody but their own skin. Bush is a liar,a cheat, an arrogant stupid man. Cheney and Rummy are pure evil. this gov't lies to its people and the world, someday i hope it gets what it deserves. I hope the good people of the nation will be spared and the USA can be honorable again.
Some of the footnotes of the docs from your Center don't corroborate or you either self reference instead of using official numbers. I'm working on a paper so I'm not sure if I can reference your work.
Excellent blog. I too have been labeled "anti-American". Let me chime in with something I recently wrote:
Glistening in the noonday sun the lady stood alone
Proudly she held her beacon high, offering shelter to tempest tossed souls. Together we huddled, protected beneath her translucent gown of white. Her alabaster skin foretold the promise of hope, justice and equality. A vow was made to protect her, from the storms that rage from within and from with out.
We cared for her, tended her beacon, so that others might bask in her offering. Each inscribed his name upon the tablet cradled in her gentle arm.
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Follow me the minion said, for I am sent by God. Rebuke those dreams of yesterday, for they are obsolete.
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A single tear fell from her eye, and trickled down her cheek.
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Few noticed, fewer still cared.
J
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Video of Marines’ arrival at Marriott secured
Presence of undercover FBI/CIA agents, US Marines suspected
ISLAMABAD: The intelligence agencies probing the Marriott blast suspect the presence of under cover FBI/CIA agents in the hotel a few days before it was reduced to rubble by the most horrific terrorist attack in the capital's history.
The authorities are trying to ascertain the reason for the terrorist attack at the Marriott, Islamabad and whether it has any connection with the stay of American Marines and CIA/FBI agents there.
While sharing the names of the two US marines, killed in the same attack, Roel Rodriguez and Mathew Vryany, the source disclosed that the video recording of the September 16 arrival of a dozen Marines along with a truckload of steel cases has already been secured. The video proves that the steel cases were shifted inside the hotel without checking as has already been reported by The News.
The hotel record also shows that most of these Marines, suspected to be undercover CIA/FBI agents, had already left the hotel before the D-day. Two fresh Marines, again suspected as US spies, arrived in the hotel on the 19th of this month and left on the 20th several hours before the terrorist attack shook the whole world.
The source revealed that both the Marines stayed in the rooms at opposite directions of the building. "One stayed in room 444, located at the right corner of floor 4, while the second officer resided in room 340, located in the extreme left corner of floor 3", the sources said.
It is worth mentioning here that Ansar Abbasi, Editor Investigation The News, who broke the news, has raised the question of whether the hotel was used by the US spies. But the American authorities denied the report. While, the owner of the hotel, Sadar-ud-Din Hashwani had denied that the hotel administration had been receiving threats from terrorist outfits not to provide space to the American spies.
The US embassy insisted the activity witnessed was a team of support personnel that often precede or accompany certain US officials. However, the government authorities probing the matter have already got most of the facts ascertained as mentioned in The News story.
The US embassy spokesperson, however, when asked if the US embassy had hired several rooms in the Marriott Hotel for years, said in his written reply that the US embassy has been a frequent customer of the Marriott Hotel for many years.
About the Marines and the steel cases which were reported to have been shifted to the hotel between the night of 16 and 17 September and whether these Marines and the suitcases were in the hotel on the day of the blast or evacuated before, he said, "A team of support personnel often and routinely precede and/or accompany certain US government officials. They often carry communication and office equipment required to support large delegations, such as high-level administration officials and members of the US Congress."
The US embassy spokesman had confirmed that the Marriott rooms, which were in use of the US officials, had the communication and office equipment, which were transported for use by Admiral Mullen
America exporting it's terrorism everywhere.
He just fights back against a society that doesn't offer him and those like him any other way. Maybe that is the only way out and we need to start over again, but then again maybe its a little too late for that now.
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