Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Wall Street Journal Spins a Bolivian Fairy Tail

Last week the Wall Street Journal weighed in on Bolivia’s elections, with a fairy tail of a piece. The article below by Mary Anastasia O’Grady’s (“All About Evo”) correctly cites the Cochabamba water revolt as the spark that set Bolivia’s anti-´Washington Consensus politics into high gear. She then relies on totally discredited five-year-old spin from the PR staff of former President Hugo Banzer to explain what happened. It is actually embarrassing, really.

This just proves how utterly wrong writers can be when they try to paint themselves as experts about places they have never been. It also doesn’t say much for the journalistic standards of the Wall Street Journal. Below is my letter to the editor of the WSJ and then the original article.

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Dear Editor,

The role of economic globalization in Bolivia’s recent presidential election is certainly worthy of debate. However, it also worthy of a debate based on actual facts, as opposed to the unfortunate misrepresentation of the facts included in Mary Anastasia O’Grady’s recent WSJ article (“All About Evo”, 12-23-05).

O’Grady is quite correct in suggesting that the citizen revolt against water privatization in 2000, in which the Bechtel Corporation was kicked out of the country, was the spark that ignited a string of events that led to the election of Evo Morales as President earlier this month. That makes her twisting of the facts surrounding the water revolt all the more serious.

First, the reason that citizens revolted against Bechtel had nothing to do with coca farmers, as O’Grady suggests, and everything to do with Bechtel raising water rates for the poor an average of nearly 50% overnight, and in many cases by much more. Second, it was not the citizens of Bolivia who rioted but the government. A former dictator, Hugo Banzer, responded to peaceful protests by sending 1,200 national police to take over the country’s third largest city. An army sharpshooter, caught on camera, shot an unarmed 17 year old in the face and killed him.

These well-documented facts, and others, may not lend themselves to the ideological myth that O’Grady seeks to market, but they are facts. They are also a good part of the reason that Bolivians are justifiable skeptical of the suggested wonders of the Washington Consensus formula of privatization.

Jim Shultz
Executive Director
The Democracy Center
Cochabamba, Bolivia

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All About Evo
Wall Street Journal, December 23, 2005
By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY

Sunday's election of Evo Morales as president of Bolivia is more bad news
for liberty in Latin America. Winning on an anti-market, anti-trade and
anti-investment platform, Mr. Morales' victory does not bode well for a
nation already impoverished, backward, isolated and desperately in need of
economic growth.

The role of Fidel Castro and his apprentice, Venezuelan President Hugo
Chavez, in Bolivian politics is no less discouraging. There is some concern
that Mr. Morales may be coached to attempt a Chavez redux in Bolivia,
consolidating power in a constitutional assembly set for July and destroying
his political competition under the guise of legality. Whether what is left
of Bolivia's fragile democracy can survive a Morales presidency with Chavez
as the president's patron remains to be seen.

Yet Mr. Morales won a strong, legitimate victory, and to focus on the Castro
influence as the driver behind his win is to ignore the pillars of fear,
anger and resentment on which his popularity is built.

The fear was registered by a working class tired of the violence waged by
Bolivia's left. Anecdotal evidence suggests that some Bolivians felt Mr.
Morales had the best chance of bringing radicals - many of whom are far more
extreme than he is - under control and ending repeated roadblocks that have
paralyzed the economy in the last two years. The anger and resentment were
reserved for the traditional political class and the war on drugs, both of
which played crucial roles in enhancing Mr. Morales' popularity.

To trace the Morales ascendance, travel back in time to the 1997
presidential elections, when the late Gen. Hugo Banzer placed first, but
with only 22% of the vote. Needing a coalition partner to seal his victory
in a congressional vote, he turned to the left-of-center MIR party led by
Jaime Paz Zamora.

That alliance set off alarm bells in Washington because the MIR party
allegedly had drug trafficking ties and the U.S. had already pulled Mr. Paz
Zamora's visa. The party's secretary general, Oscar Eid, was even jailed in
Bolivia in 1996 on charges of links to drug trafficking. To alleviate gringo
concerns and ensure the flow of foreign aid, Banzer pledged a scorched earth
policy toward coca growers in Bolivia's Chapare region, promising to "wipe
out" the cultivation of the ancient leaf during his tenure.

Banzer and his vice president Jorge Quiroga - who was the center-right
candidate in the Sunday election - waged war on coca in the Chapare in 1998
and 1999. Meeting their goal did nothing to alter America's cocaine habits
but it did produce a sharp recession and a migration of poor, unemployed
Bolivians to urban centers. One place they showed up was Bolivia's
third-largest city, Cochabamba, where in 2000, according to the
then-Minister of Information Ronald MacLean-Abraoa, they were easily
mobilized in rioting against the privatization of water service.

The Cochabamba water privatization was the perfect storm for Bolivia's hard
left. But the center-right handed the Trotskyites the weapons they needed to
kill modernity. In fact, the "water war," as the tragedy became known,
exemplified many of the misdeeds committed throughout the region during a
period of supposed reform. The "market" got a black eye, but facts show that
experiments in reform often fell far short of economic liberalism. Instead,
special interests and politicians tried to use "reform" to get rich and
carve out privileges. They endorsed half-measures and ignored the importance
of competition.

According to Fredrik Segerfeldt, in "Water for Sale" (Cato Institute, 2005),
Cochabamba water prices, having been heavily subsidized, went up after the
1999 privatization, but not by the astronomical amount that enemies of the
sale claimed. One reason bills were higher was that previous shortages were
alleviated so consumption quickly climbed.

However, there were other issues. "The blame to be pinned on the local
authorities has been disregarded," Mr. Segerfeldt writes. Cochabamba Mayor
"Manfred Reyes Villa, known as Bonbon, had connections with companies that
would profit from the construction of a dam and he insisted against the
advice of the World Bank that the dam be included in the [water] project,
which incurred an extra cost of millions of dollars." Another plan, not
requiring a new dam, had been tried in 1997, but "Bonbon stopped it cold,"
notes Mr. Segerfeldt. "The local political situation was a mess of
patronage, populism and vanity projects."

Bonbon's dam gave the real "losers" in the privatization - Cochabamba's
vested interests, including subsidized upper-income households and
commercial actors - what they needed to excite the masses. "These groups
cynically exploited poor urban dwellers as an excuse for safeguarding their
own interests." The street violence grew so intense that Banzer had to
declare a state of siege.

The government reversed the water privatization but the damage was done. The
"p" word became a bogeyman, despite the fact, as Mr. Segerfeldt points out,
"the poor of Cochabamba are still paying 10 times as much for their water as
the rich, connected households and continue to indirectly subsidize water
consumption of more well-to-do sector of the community. Water nowadays is
available only four hours a day and no new households have been connected to
the supply network."

Lingering resentment transformed the displaced "cocaleros" into a
radicalized political force, which broadened its agenda against all things
American. Mr. Morales, who built his political career as a leader of the
"cocaleros," is riding that tiger to the presidential palace.

Yet he will not have an easy job of it. The hard left will press him to
nationalize gas reserves and has already promised violence if its wishes are
not granted. Brazil will try to make him moderate his approach since its
Petrobras is already a big player in the Bolivian gas market. It cannot be
lost on Mr. Morales that most of the country's reserves are untapped and
without foreign investment will remain so.

The Morales economic platform doesn't promise a future to Bolivians, only
revenge. That can't take him far and the opposition will have ample
opportunity to challenge him. Whether it can compete will depend a lot on
whether it has learned from its mistakes of warring against coca growers to
satisfy Uncle Sam and abusing its power to deny Bolivians equality under the
law.

44 Comments:

Blogger Originalexplorer said...

Man, this is why I don't read the WSJ... Its so god damned infuriating. I mean this story literaly reads like something the New York Post would write, except international. I hope your letter to the editor gets published Jim, and let us know if it does.

Alex

10:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Face it Jim, it was you she was thinking of and yes, you did ensure that millions of Bolivians get no water at all through your nationalization plan that absolutely guarantees shortages except for the leftwing well-connected nomenklatura.

11:07 PM  
Anonymous Soakleif said...

Mary Anastasia O'Grady says in her closing paragraph, "The Morales economic platform doesn't promise a future to Bolivians, only revenge. That can't take him far and the opposition will have ample
opportunity to challenge him. Whether [Morales' opponents] can compete will depend a lot on whether it has learned from its mistakes of warring against coca growers to satisfy Uncle Sam and abusing its power to deny Bolivians equality under the law."

Read the last line again. She is clearly criticizing Morales' predecessors. Furthermore, O'Grady has actually blamed US drug policy in Bolivia for the "Bolivian uprising" surrounding the water privatization program and ensuing tragic events in a June 2005 Op-Ed piece (also in the WSJ) titled, "Blame U.S. Drug Policy for the Bolivian Uprising." (Please see http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n973/a09.html?85715.)

Secondly, one does not have to travel or live in a destination to be able to write about that destination accurately or without bias. If that were the case, we would have to discredit all foreign writers from publishing articles about a foreign country if they have not lived in that country. (Hey, maybe that would be to the US' advantage. Maybe we wouldn't get so much negative press.)

Lastly, the point of O'Grady's article is not who started the rioting or the reasoning behind the rioting in alphabetical order of importance but, rather, that Morales is bad for Bolivia. O'Grady, like many outside observers, realizes that. And like my mama used to say, "You don't have to jump in a garbage bin to know it stinks."

12:25 AM  
Blogger Soakleif said...

Not that I'm trying to be confrontational--or anything. I just happened to stumble upon this blog recently and figured I'd give my two cents' worth. Hope you don't mind.

5:07 AM  
Anonymous Alberto said...

I think she got facts and figures right. You see, Jim, not everybody has to agree with you. I don't know if you heard of something called freedom of the press... Being a "democracy" center and all.
Things often depend on the way you look at them, and in this case, I completely agree with her, not you. Funny how you got so angry... May be that this paragraph refers specifically to you?
According to Fredrik Segerfeldt, in "Water for Sale" (Cato Institute, 2005),Cochabamba water prices, having been heavily subsidized, went up after the 1999 privatization, but not by the astronomical amount that enemies of the sale claimed.

You fucked things up, Jim. Nothing wrong with somebody finally noticing it. You are not Bolivia's saviour.

And, the conclusion of the article (Evo is bad for Bolivia) is evident. Evo has the potential of being a great president, but I think that interest groups inside MAS (COB, COR-El Alto, CSUTCB, Democracy Center, MST, etc) will work hard to ensure things rot quickly.

I will be glad to eat my words if the constituent assembly passes by without Evo pulling a Chavez, btw.

7:09 AM  
Blogger Qu said...

I agree with Jim that the article is infuriating, due to Mary Anastasia O'Grady's usual ultra-conservative, anti-social movement rhetoric. Especially the references to Chavez and Fidel are simply missing the point. However, I also agree with the comments that she doesn't have everything wrong. Linking the war on drugs to an economic down turn and the current political situation in Bolivia is actually an important acknowledgement, which is typically taboo among US conservatives. Similarly, her comments on the water privatization (though not the rioting) seem contain an important element of truth. I have read multiple articles about the Cochabamba water war, and I have found it difficult to pick a side. Though a lot went wrong with the privatization on the part of the authorities and Bechtel (such as appropriating wells constructed and owned by individuals), the tunnel project wasn't their idea. It appears that this was a major factor in driving up prices - a fact conveniently ignored by many left wing critics.

10:53 AM  
Blogger Originalexplorer said...

"Cochabamba water prices, having been heavily subsidized, went up after the 1999 privatization, but not by the astronomical amount that enemies of the sale claimed."

Does an overnight 50% or more hike not qualify as astronomical? I mean if you go to Jim's research on the Water Privatization on the web site, you can see the scanned in bills of the 50% hike. Also you will see that the water company did not preform any new measuremants of household water usage to back up the claim that increases in water consumption accounted for the skyrocketing rates. That plus the overwhelming evidence of rate hikes from first hand accounts of many citizens of Cochabamba and the popularity of the street protests against the hikes... I dont see how you are being anything but a contrarian.

And Soakleif, I think one of Jim's main arguments against the WSJ op-ed was the fact that the author was trying to say that the Cochabamba water revolt was caused by angry cocaleros. This is plainly not the case, although I think the Cocaleros might have gotten involved at some points in the protests, they were not the impetus behind the revolt. If you read the first hand accounts of organizing the protests, writen by Oscar Oliveria and others, you will see that the Cocaleros had little to do with the protests -- they were driven by outstandingly high water rates and a sense of discontentment over 20 years of neoliberalism's broken promises.

And p.s. all you guys who write flagrantly inflamitory essays after each one of Jim's posts, which generally do not contribute much to the discussion, need to get a life. Yeesh.

11:57 AM  
Blogger Paisano de Elite said...

Bolivia’s faire tail, or the beginning of its nightmare.
Wow, ten days of great vacations away from being able to reach my computer and all this information to swallow, I am not surprise this Blog being on fire after the MAS’s, read it Mazis, surprise landslide victory. Since I am in the opposition now, I decided to start written in the underground since 2006, but what the heck, a couple of days earlier and a borrowed computer and internet connection are not going to kill my, I cannot speak for Jim and his buddies stomachs.
I read O’Grady’s article before being introduce in this Blog and as a Bolivian living in the Country I can assure that all she wrote has more actual facts than any of the Democracy Center’s papers on Bolivia. From Jim’s writing’s I can only rescue a couple of things; both very significant low class lies, “First, the reason that citizens revolted against Bechtel had nothing to do with coca farmers”. By now on, everybody that has follow Bolivia’s politics for six or more months knows that La Coordinadora del Agua, MAS, Chapare’s coca farmer associations, MST, Fejuve del Alto, COB, The Democracy Center, Walter Albaraccin, MSM and some, still small, left wing newspapers and NGO’s had a lot to do together. Their major goal was to put MAS in the executive power buy making Bolivians live in the purgatory while preparing them for the hell to come; the water revolt was only one of the well planed Marxist purgatory recipes.
Second; “An army sharpshooter, caught on camera, shot an unarmed 17 year old in the face and killed him. These well-documented facts, and others, may not lend themselves to the ideological myth that O’Grady seeks to market, but they are facts.” The army sharpshooter referred by Jim is that one in civilian clothing we all watch on the news and is the same one that after all possible scenarios presented by Human Rights, the media and other not so peace loving organizations; was never proven that the teenager and the sharpshooter were connected at the moment of the boy’s death, and that is the well documented fact. Jim’s not accepting this and openly lying about it is a necessity for him since that boy is the martyr he desperately needs to highlight every time he shows off his organization’s involvement in the water revolt.
O’Grady’s in the other hand has more interesting and truthful words to highlight; “Sunday's election of Evo Morales as president of Bolivia is more bad news
for liberty in Latin America. …….. There is some concern
that Mr. Morales may be coached to attempt a Chavez redux in Bolivia,
consolidating power in a constitutional assembly set for July and destroying
his political competition under the guise of legality. Whether what is left
of Bolivia's fragile democracy can survive a Morales presidency with Chavez
as the president's patron remains to be seen”. I will take some recent facts I heard and see by myself, Evo’s victory speech with his cocaleros in El Chapare. After knowing that he was the future President of the Country, he immediately slammed over the Corte Nacional Electoral (CNE), the entity in charge of running all elections in Bolivia, including the representatives for the Constitutional Assembly. Accusing them of cheating against him in the elections and asking their members to resign, later on the International Observers informed that this year’s elections where as clean as they possible could be. Evo’s verbal incontinency is not just that, it is a clear sign that he will seek by all means to take over the CNE in an attempt to control the sayings of the Constitutional Assembly from its roots and be able to write the new constitutions at his whishes; being in power for the next fifty years as he also claims he wants is no verbal incontinency either. As we can all see, O’Grady’s mournful facts are not so inaccurate us Jim says.
Greetings to you all from the underground, probably but hopefully not, soon to be the only way to get true Bolivian facts to the world; since mass media is the second big power Evo slammed over in his infamous victory speech.

4:56 PM  
Anonymous Danielle said...

"the poor of Cochabamba are still paying 10 times as much for their water as the rich, connected households and continue to indirectly subsidize water
consumption of more well-to-do sector of the community. Water nowadays is available only four hours a day and no new households have been connected to the supply network."

Is this true? Can someone direct me to an essay/book/article that gives a solid run-down of the aftermath of the water wars? What water prices are now, who benefits, who's being overcharged, etc... I'm in the midst of doing some independent research on the water and gas 'wars', and attempting to determine the real costs and benefits of nationalization/privatization of Bolivia's natural resources. I'm at dkravetz@slc.edu if anyone knows of good sources. Thanks.

5:55 PM  
Blogger cc41girl88 said...

gosh, i don't see what y'all are going crazy about (said w/ a texas accent)...lol.

seriously, though, news flash: US journalism SUCKS! a couple of reporters, like peter jennings, were able to focus on getting an unbiased truth out there, but now that he's gone so is that ideal. don't you know about that reporter (early 80's, i think) who wrote a story about an 8 year old heroin addict and got a pulitzer for it? oh, oops, she sorta made it up.

talking about how incorrect the story is is fine -- just don't act like US journalism standards being lower than those in turkey is some big suprise.

6:26 PM  
Blogger cc41girl88 said...

(note: i just re-read my last sentense and realized it sounded a bit bad; i meant that in reference to the current trial against about 60 writers and that much journalism and free-thought is impeded upon).

6:28 PM  
Anonymous oxo said...

I read all this and feel very confused. Wasnt it a fact that water prices hiked overnight? since when we are not sure if this is true? I read the WSJ article and felt it was, to say the least, unfair, terrribly biased to say what I actually think about it. The problem here is that every post seems to be more biased than the previous one. It's disgusting! I can see a little bias in Jims posts but I believe "con buena fe" which i cannot say of soakleif... just to mention one. I guess it is easy to see that those who were in power before are scared and honestly believe that thanks to Evo things are gonna go terribly wrong for them. Things have gone terribly wrong for most of bolivians in the last 180 years - I'm sure I dont need to show you facts to say this without any fear of being biased - I am not sure of what is gonna happen now, but at leat, somebody new is in power now. We, the bolivian whites, have had our chance (180 years of chances) and definitely havent got it right. So I would be selfish and definitely caring only about my own wellbeing if I didnt see that at least this is an opportunity of including all the bolivians into the game of power. It is not gonna be easy, but at least we are getting closer to being equal?

All you people that are scared of Evo, could it be because you know you are guilty and you know that the position of power you have had all this time wouldnt be possible without stepping on your fellow citizen's heads? I voted for Goni, I believed there was a way by following the IMF path. It didnt work. That is not the way...

The ABC form spain has published and interview with Alvaro Garcia Linera - here is the link: http://www.abc.es/abc/pg051220/prensa/noticias/Internacional/Iberoamerica/200512/20/NAC-INT-070.asp

It's in spanish but it says a couple of things about the positions of the future vicepresident regarding the most important issues to be dealt with by the new government. He's just a politician, I know, and politicians are not to be blindly trusted, but it's a new approach, and I believe everyone deserves a chance...

Happy new year to everyone!

8:01 AM  
Anonymous Joshua said...

Sheezzz, I read your comments and it looks like Evo's historical victory is causing trouble to more yankee and cuasi-bolivian-in-the-US bloggers than real Bolivians. Bolivians in Bolivia are just fine with Evo and now very happy that Fidel will deliver medical assistance to 10.000 Bolivians in 2006.

We just have to accept it --even the Bolivian middle class voted for the the cocalero, which means VOTED AGAINST THE OLD POLITICIANS, AGAINST THE US AND AGAINST THE US' help, policies, criticism and subordination(Now, how much of the $150 million went to poor bolivians' health and education in 2005? zero, zip, nada. The $$ greens went only to coca eradication and military assistance! - way to go, keep impoverishing the bolivian poor)

As for the WSJ, that lady is really fucked up, okay, confused, she can't even distinguish facts and reality on Bolivian history -the Water War, that is. (Actually, just yesterday Water BV and Abengoa SA stepped down against taking Bolivia to an international arbitration court, due to the "Aguas del Tunari" issue). O'Grady reminds me of some folks I know here in Washington, DC --and all their pro-capitalism propaganda included.

Wake up Bolivians.

9:37 AM  
Blogger David Wilson said...

can someone please explain to me why Evo Morales keeps talking about the neo-liberals being the bad guys? I thought it was the neo-conservatives who were the problem. as if things were that simple,

but, if you have a thought on this I would appreciate hearing it

I am keeping a Bolivian record on my blog as well http://davidleewilson.blogspot.com/2005/12/bolivia-evo-morales.html

11:09 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

The WSJ article is full of untruths and misleading statements. The main point is that Evo and the cocaleros did not orchestrate the water wars. The conspiracy theories that see All Things Lefty as one big plot to take over and impose bread lines are a red herring - they distract from what is really happening here. Bolivians - apparently now constituting the majority of the population - are understandably dissatisfied with the results of Washington Consensus economic plans, and - in the streets of Cochabamba in 2000, just like at the polls a couple weeks ago - they are demanding change.

The argument that the water war was led by narco-terrorists in order to destablize the Banzer govt. was announced in a press conference by Ronald McLean (referred to in the AP story that ran all over the US as "Ronny," if that gives you any idea of the kind of relationship AP journalist Peter McFarren had with the Banzer cabinet). At the time, it was met with exacerbated laughter here in Bolivia - one more in a week-long string of escalating lies by the government. But it was astute, as it was just what the US media needed to put aside the inconvenient fact that privatization was being rejected by the masses in Cochabamba.

I have a bit more on the WSJ article, including more about McFarren, at: http://danmoriarty.blogspot.com/2005/12/two-unrelated-things.html

Neoliberal and neoconservative, by the way, are two terms that help point to how meaningless the words "liberal" and "conservative" have largely become. They grow out of different times and references to different applications of the words, and many people are fairly described as both. Very briefly, neoliberalism is the pro-privatization, "free" market approach to global economics espoused by both parties in Washington and by the major global financial institutions. Neoconservativism refers to an approach to foreign policy largely first espoused by several formerly "liberal" (hence "neo") thinkers (many of them Jewish and influenced by the situation in Israel) in the late 1960s. Today, it would probably be fair to say that most Democrats and Republicans are neoliberalists, while a significant minority of Democrats and the majority of Republicans (exceptions being the Realists like Bush 41's gang and isolationists like Pat Buchanan) are neoconservatives. To read a kind of neocon manifesto, see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

3:46 PM  
Blogger Soakleif said...

History has two participants: those who see images and those who see reality. Many Westerners chase liberal fantasies such as freedom for the oppressed through international revolution--even, strangely enough, through violence.

Let's take Castro, for example. Norman Mailer once said Castro was the first and greatest hero to appear in the world since WWII. Abbie Hoffman went further, saying Castro, when standing erect, is "like a mighty penis coming to life, and when he is tall and straight the crowd immediately transformed." Che Guevarra shirts are more popular on US university campuses than Washington, Jefferson, or Lincoln. Images.

Yet, in the 1960s alone over a million fled from Castro. By 1980, about 1/5th of the population was living in exile, most of them in the US. Since Castro has taken charge, Cuba has had an annual growth rate per capita of minus 1.2. And on and on and on (I could rant about the millions of lives that have been lost to such fantasies under Lenin, Stalin et al.). Such is the way of social philosophy and Latin-American dictators, who begin as liberals and end as tyrants. Reality.

In frustration and despair from years of failed promises from countless saviors (both on the left and on the right), Evo Morales, like Argentina's Peron, has taken the easy way out and blamed America for the country's ills. And, unfortunately for the Bolivian people (who I respect, admire, and love), the Morales revolution will fail, sadly to the continued detriment of the Bolivianos, who, at least for the moment, can hope for a better future.

5:46 PM  
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5:52 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Joshua, do you ever actually research anything before writing? I guess that isn't required when you're on a blog. Technically, you may be correct that no money from the $150 million counter narcotics budget went to health and education. I'm not sure why it would. No, the money for health and education in Bolivia from the US came from the USAID budget. USAID spent about $95 million in Bolivia in 2004 to include health and education. Oh, one other thing, can a president-elect sign anything binding before entering office? I know, it's just accepting help from our friend Fidel, but shouldn't you wait until you're actually the president?

7:39 PM  
Blogger Villain N' Black said...

I don't see why Evo being friends with Castro is any different than say Bush being friends with leaders in the Saudi Regime who commit human rights abuses. Remember Rumsfield shaking hands with Saddam? Americans need to look in their own backyards before passing on judgement on others i.e. homelessness, racism, corruption.

Spending $95 million in Bolivia lmao. Norman you ever been to Bolivia fool? You ever see those young, homeless, shoe shiners wearing balaclavas inhaling gas my friend? It's called hopelessness not aid stupid idiot. Now it's time to take Bush's dick out your mouth.

"Instead of a war on poverty, they got a war on drugs so the police can bother me."

9:58 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Black, you do tend to miss the point and stray off, don’t you? I never said there was anything wrong with the friendship shared by the president elect and the dictator. I asked if it appears inappropriate to sign accords with another nation before you ARE the president. As to the $95 million, the point was to refute an un-researched claim that no aid has been provided to health and education. Yes, more would be helpful, but at least the street kids know enough to say thank you when they get a couple of coins. 25% of Bolivia’s budget is covered by foreign aid.
VIB, I've lived in Bolivia three years. I’ve paid to have my already clean shoes shined; my already clean window washed and for half a dozen other unneeded services. I've seen the needy in the city and in the country. I’ve watched as new roads are opened and new public buildings erected, outright paid for by the US. But from your point of view, as long as there is any war on drugs, no other assistance matters nor is even acknowledged! By the way, I’ve seen poverty in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East as well and I’ve watched as the US, (and many other donor countries) have provided infrastructures and food and aid. I know it’s fashionable to hate the US, but why is it unfashionable to have a balanced view? Concerning the personal insults, well bless you too. When a debate starts getting personal, it usually indicates the other side is running out of ideas.

8:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rule 3, What to do About Name Calling, in the How To Blog rule book:

Don't respond. Hopefully they will just go away.

Norman, Villain is obviously smoking too many legalized marijuana bong hits (in Canada). His commments should be edited from this site before they're posted but unfortunately . . .

Try not to respond to his "I-hate-anything-American-because-I-live-up-in-America's-favorite-national-park-and-can't-get-a-visa-so-i-can-escape-this-backwards-US wannabe-country diatribe.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cancelled my subscription to WSJ last year just for this kind of reason. They have some good reporters, but the blogosphere has superceded them.

5:01 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Regarding those who see reality and those who see dreams: Bolivia has jumped through every hoop placed in its path by global financial institutions, and - by the accounts of some of the very architects of those hoops - has failed to see improvement. Those who continue to believe that it's just a matter of time before the so-called free market pays off and its "rising tide lifts all ships" are, it seems to me, pretty clearly blinded to reality by their ideological visions. The Bolivian people, who have rejected the neoliberal system - not only in these elections but consistently and increasingly over the past several years - seem to see reality all to vividly. It is amazing to me that more people don't recognize how utopian - in the most dangerous sense of the word - much of the dominant politics in the US actually is.

Fidel is really not the point. (And the U.S. record on human rights and violence is abominable, too.) Also, if someone can explain the relationship between Norman Mailer, Abby Hoffman, and anything significant currently happening in Latin America, I'd be fascinated.

7:20 PM  
Blogger Soakleif said...

The Bolivianos voted for Morales for the same reason many Americans voted for Bush: FUD.

Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt.

Not that that is a moral issue--right v. wrong--but people vote for the left, right, and/or middle for many reasons. We've had our share of liberal promises under FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, and others. At the end of the day, we are forced to choose a worldview. America, unfortunately, is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. That's what happens when you're an Empire. When you're an Empire, the world catches a cold when you sneeze.

History, unfortunately, has shown us that most social revolutionaries revolt for the hell of revolting (like Abbie Hoffman's book titled, Revolution for the Hell of It). But people will follow because of FUD--no matter how rational or irrational we are. Marx was rational. Adam Smith was rational. Kruschev was rational. Kennedy was rational. Castro is rational. The revolutionaries of today are no different than those of the past--offering images and delivering broken realities. Do we really believe Morales will save the Bolivianos? Does Morales really believe that? But, I guess, if you're anti-Yanquee that's a good start.

Good luck Evo. I hope you are a dreamer of great images that turn into realities rather than a dreamer that goes to the bad.

8:55 PM  
Blogger Villain N' Black said...

Norman I was refering to Soakleif when I wrote about the friendship.

Norman I am so pleased that now these kids get a "couple of coins." God Bless your soul LMAO. You're a real hoot. You're not winning anything just making yourself look like the typical Yankee.

Oh yeah to Anonymous. Quit your crying. People aren't flying planes into buildings where I come from. I don't see Canadian backpackers posing as Americans and putting American flags on their backpacks. You go anywhere in the world and they respect us...can't say the same for down South. How many Americans travelled to Canada fearing the draft.

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Anonymous Pituko not graduated from highschool.... said...

Oxo: very well said - A LOT has gone wrong the past 180 years and it's time to see where we go from here.

Soaklief: No one is a 'savior'.... we can only try to better our situation. And yes, dreamer of great images will turn into realities because the masses want them to.

Regarding this WSJ article, that's why it's good to get all sides of the story and then share your research wherever u can, whether it be online, in person, writting to the editor, etcc.

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Blogger Norman said...

Finally a compliment from VIB. Thanks Villain, I am a typical Yankee. Looking forward to the next topic; this is getting stale.

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Blogger Villain N' Black said...

If you feel "typical yankee" is a compliment that describes you then...your welcome. I, for one, like to be able to go to other countries where they don't burn my flag or threaten me with violence.

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Blogger Norman said...

Yeah, I can see you go out of your way to be liked. I thought the topic of this forum was Bolivia? Oh well, not much else going on today so I guess a little banter works. The US is hated, and loved, by differing nations because the US strives to make a difference (and because we are a successful nation). Teddy Roosevelt said it well when he stated "it is far better in life to strive for mighty deeds, win glorious triumphs, although checkered with failure, than to join the ranks of those poor, timid souls who live in the gray twilight of never achieving much, never risking or failing much, not knowing the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat." They will stop burning US flags when the US stops making a difference. I know that's exactly what you would like, but I've been to too many nations, like Kuwait in 1990, that were grateful that the US is willing suffer a few insults from timid souls. If no one ever burned your flag, that says something too. BTW, I've never been threatened with violence in Bolivia for being an American or otherwise (except, perhaps, by someone campaigning under a "death to the Yankees" slogan). I've been greeted warmly, not because of where I come from, but because the Bolivian people are individually good people.
So, back to Bolivia. Did anyone hear about the 11 tons of cocaine that were captured in Bolivia over 2005. Man, where did THAT come from??!! That’s up from 3 tons in 2004 and 7 tons in 2003. I’m glad Evo’s going to take a strong no-cocaine stance!

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Blogger Soakleif said...

Couldn't have said it better, myself, Norman.

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To think a writer doesn't need to be at a location to write informatively about it is ludicrous at best. Having lived in Africa for some time time this I know to be a fact: Western international journalists generally DO NOT venture to where the stories are. Second hand or even third hand accounts are the general modus operandi, becuause it is cheaper, safer, less troublesome etc. but less factual and accurate ...

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Why are we (US) so afraid of a people choosing to govern themselves and follow a set of economic principles that happen to be different than our own? I would urge countries with newly emerging economies to avoid the current western model and move forward. The US wants to keep everyone (the rest of the world)playing in a rigged game. We already own Boardwalk, Parkplace etc and have a full load of hotels on them all. Would you enter that Monopoly game? Then don't be surprised when others turn down the "opportunity"!

Communists and socialists get into trouble when they are corrupted by capitalism.

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