Friday, May 26, 2006

The Evo and Hugo Show

One of the interesting things about having lived in and written about Bolivia for eight years is watching the foreign press that parachute in for a week or two, declare themselves Bolivia experts, and start publishing. Some get Bolivia and the story remarkably well and some don’t get it very well at all. And most, time has shown, tune into to whatever current angle on Bolivia is in vogue in the other foreign press.

And the story that is in vogue this week is the “Evo-Hugo Show”, the combination political/psychological analysis of the relationship between Bolivian President Evo Morales and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and what it means for Bolivia. That story is going to get even bigger over the weekend as Chavez returns to Bolivia, this time to join Morales in the coca-growing Chapare region before massive crowds of coca farmers.

What is the truth about the Morales-Chavez alliance?

On the one hand there are the conspiracy theories. Chavez is engaged in a not-so-secret plan to dominate South American politics and make the continent a “Bolivarian” beachhead of anti-US politics in the sole superpower’s political backyard (or “neighborhood” as President George Bush tagged it this week).

According to this theory, Chavez sent money and agents into Bolivia to help make Evo Morales president last December. He did this in cahoots was that wily old Communist, Fidel Castro who, according to a senior US Pentagon official, actually had agents in Bolivia that were activated to promote the protests over the Carlos Mesa gas law a year ago. Now Chavez is consolidating that power and he was the secret force behind Morales’ “gas nationalization” decree May 1.

Yesterday the Wall Street Journal added its reporting voice to the conspiracy theory, in a piece written by José De Córdoba and David Luhnow. According to the WSJ, Morales, “has aligned his country so closely with Venezuela's Hugo Chávez that it is sometimes difficult to tell where one government begins and the other ends.” The lead evidence presented:

During an April 25 session with India's Jindal Steel & Power Ltd., two Venezuelan experts whispered into the ears of their Bolivian counterparts and passed them notes, says Juan Mogrovejo, a representative of Jindal Steel who attended the meetings. Then the Bolivians hardened their terms, demanding that the length of the contract be cut to 20 years from 40. "The proposed contract changed radically," Mr. Mogrovejo says. Other companies have also expressed dismay at the new terms.

In other words, Venezuelan economic experts evidently came in and helped the new Bolivian government negotiate a better deal for the Bolivian people. That is worrisome – for foreign corporations who had hoped to keep negotiating really exploitive deals that took Bolivians for a ride. It is too bad Venezuelan experts like these weren’t at the table, along with Bolivian officials who cared, when the Bechtel water takeover deal was negotiated in 1999, or during the gas negotiations a decade ago. Bolivia would have more money in its treasury and close to a hundred people killed in protests against those deals might still be alive.

It is too bad that IMF and World Bank officials didn’t see their role in “economic assistance” as including helping Bolivia get the best deals possible in their foreign negotiations. Really, it is pretty hard to see the evil in the WSJ’s worrisome example of Venezuelan meddling.

The charge that Venezuela masterminded Morales “gas nationalization” decree is just plain silly. That demand came from the Bolivian people back when Chavez was still a young soldier in the Venezuelan army and it was the central campaign pledge by Morales in last year’s campaign. It is also a move that was endorsed by Economic Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz in a visit to Bolivia this past week.

Silly as well as the WSJ’s description of, “Bolivia's decision to kick out foreign energy companies this month and nationalize its natural-gas reserves.” The decree clearly did not kick out the foreign energy companies, which is why they are still here. It basically said that the government intends to renegotiate all the contracts, aiming to get better terms for the Bolivian people. If the companies made such a declaration aimed at the government, the WSJ would probably have called it sensible capitalism.

On the other side of the coin in the Evo-Hugo debate are the cheerleaders of that alliance. They say that Chavez and his oil money are helping Bolivia stand up to the US and foreign corporations, just as Venezuelan loans to Argentina helped that country pay off its debts to the IMF and kiss the Fund goodbye. They see Chavez as a counterweight to a bellicose US government, setting a model of how oil revenue can finance health care, literacy and other basic services for the poor. They deny the charges that Chavez is involved in any scheme to centralize his power in Venezuela and continue as President for many years to come. They welcome the close embrace between he and Morales.

It is a debate, interestingly enough, that seems to be much hotter among foreigners looking at Bolivia and trying to analyze events here than it is among Bolivians who actually live, day to day, with the course of those events. I have yet to hear the “Chavez” issue raised by any of the many regular Bolivians that I speak with about the news every day – the lady who sells me eggs, the driver on my bus (the Trufi #5), the guy who tends bar where my daughter waits tables.

Here’s what I hear from them:

What about the people who aren’t indigenous, but aren’t rich either? What place do we have in Morales’ vision for Bolivia?

I think it is good that Evo issued the decree on gas, but let’s see what really comes out in these negotiations, no?

I just hope we stop having so many blockades and strikes. I need to work. We all need to work.


The Bolivians one hears stressing out about Chavez’ influence here are mainly opposition politicians trying to make hay out of it. The man Morales beat nearly two to one last December, Tuto Quiroga, told the WSJ, "We have become a colony of Venezuela." Aside from being the kind of wild exaggeration that one expects to hear on Fox news, it is also important to note, that whatever influence in Bolivian politics Venezuela is establishing, it is pale beyond words to the nearly outright control of economic policy that the US-dominated IMF and World Bank have had here for two decades.

The issue of any foreign nation wielding too much power in Bolivia is always a legitimate issue, especially in a country that has had its borders, its minerals and its national destiny raided and determined by foreign powers for half a millennium. But the debate on this topic seems to be less about whether there is foreign influence than about who is in and who is out. The US government and its media champions are understandably uncomfortable with the decline of US influence in Latin America and the rise of a counterweight with cash.

So now get ready for the photos, the headlines, and the official horror from some quarters as Chavez and Morales stand this weekend before throngs of coca farmers. It is, to be sure, the diplomatic equivalent of flipping up a large bi-national middle finger at the superpower to the north. Is it smart diplomacy for Morales and Bolivia? I doubt it. His Vice President, Alvaro Garcia Linera, and I had a conversation about this just before he took office. Chavez likes to piss off the US government for sport, it often seems. Bolivia had no interest in following suit. Its diplomatic moves, Alvaro said, would be made like moves on a chessboard, thought out clearly in advance for all the implications involved.

On the other hand, Bolivia, much to the dismay of some, is in fact a sovereign state and it can associate with any other nation and leader it cares to without a permission slip from Washington, or the Wall Street Journal for that matter.

Let us just hope, for Bolivia’s sake, that Morales is deepening that association for reasons that are strategic, solid and well thought out, and not just following Chavez into the arena of pissing people off for sport.

101 Comments:

Blogger Norman said...

I'm watching the "show" now, and it is entertaining. Now will Evo have to call himself a regional governor, or will Hugo take on the title of emperor?

2:15 PM  
Anonymous dedpenguin said...

to say that chavez' words & actions with regards to the u.s. is simply 'sport' seems to me to swallow the mainstream line of chavez being 'irresponsible', 'reckless', etc...

i would suggest that the opposite is true: that his words and actions are patently designed to deal with a power that is plainly opposed to (and likely working against) his goals in venezuela and the region. (by regional goals i don't mean any type of venezuelan hegemony, but a latin-american reassertion of sovreignty and independent action.)
...there's a reason he's become such a wildly popular figure in latin america (and the world), and it's not from shrinking from a fight when the bully of the region grumbles against you.

4:45 PM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Jim, you keep saying that all of those foreign journalists "keep getting it wrong, time and time again". That they are just passing opinion givers who couldn't possibly grasp the realities thay you have come to observe in your 8 years in Bolivia.

I find this to be not only very condescending but outright self-righteous. Surely many of those same journalists appreciate your insight and give your opinions the proper attention. To judge and present their own appreciations in such a demeaning manner, says to me that far from intending and objective analysis you are willing to settle for ad hominems and other disqualifiers (such as conspiracy building) as far as they enable you to strengthen your own views.

This applies to both the concepts you hold about Bolivia, its history, society and current political state as well as for "the big picture" (the current geopolitical state of South America and the world).

By taking this stance you are failing in your mission of investigating and reporting on an objective manner. In doing so, you are just as faulty as those reporters you criticize.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chavez Increases Grip in Bolivia With $1.5 Bln Plan

Jindal Sole Bidder for Bolivia Iron Mine

Bolivia, Venezuela and Cuba to sign eight cooperation agreements

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Paul V said...

Note: I am "Anonymous" above.

Venezuela aids Bolivia gas nationalization

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,

I agree with you assessment of foreign reporters and their reports. Because most of them are simply technicians not journalists. As far as Hugo/evo show only caution I would take is not to throw the baby along with bathwater.

Bush Administration can be classified as Imperialist or any other adjectives one wants to attach to them but demonizing the US is unproductive and unnecessary becuase many of us do not support the stupid policies of this administration or the past administrations.

I am perfectly OK with Bolivia not wanting to deal with US-based oil companies for that large multi-nationals. But the US remains the home of vast majority of innovators and innovations. If Bolivia is serious about accelerated development then it will need these US technologies. So, if I were Bolivian government I would follow the strategy of Finland during the Cold war era. By maintaining good relations with Soviets and the West it benefited significantly.

Revolution does not work. It is unnatural. It simply replaces one form of exploitation with another one and One group of mafia with another one. Bolivia under morales needs to engage in real-politik but learn to negotiate tougher with all foreigners even if it means Venezuelan advisors on their side.

Bolivia is going to come under propaganda assault and it urgently needs to communicate with the rest of the world. What I mean is they need an English language daily reporting on all measures Bolivian government is taking and what it means for the bolivian.

The disaffected minorities of Santa Cruz those benefited under the colonial rule as well previous governments are going to do everything to destablize the morales government. Aside from fighting them in the local and international media, Morales needs to extend olive branch to some of the Santa Cruz especially those who shares his goal but not the methodology. Otherwise, the Santa Cruz gang will become the new Cuban exile and will undermine Morales just as the similar group did in Venezuela.

Good luck to Bolivia.

6:34 PM  
Anonymous A journalist said...

Jonathan,

A question. How do you turn this comment by The Democracy Center about foreign journalists:

“Some get Bolivia and the story remarkably well and some don’t get it very well at all.”

into this comment by you?


“Jim, you keep saying that all of those foreign journalists "keep getting it wrong, time and time again".

The post clearly says the visiting journalists are a mixed bag, which seems fair. The quote you invented was a blanket condemnation that doesn’t appear anywhere in the post and is, in fact, contradictory to it.

I always find it helpful to actually read things before commenting on them, but I suppose that’s my bias.

10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most journalists are cut of the same cookie cutter cloth, especially in the US. There are not many Edward R murrow running around, mostly bill o'riley type. Besides most of them never read US history let alone Bolivian one. So I say jim is right on the money. Most journalist just report what they supposedly see but almost never provides context to the story. These are same journalists quietly went along with Bush administration's rationale for Iraqi war and never questioned the congress why they were abdicating the constitutional responsibilty of checking the Executive branch. So I say most of the today's journalists are down right stupid and have no morals or ethics.

11:18 PM  
Anonymous a journalist with u.s. newspaper said...

Jim, Blog readers,
I agree with Jim's post. Too many parachutists who don't put enough time into the stories they report, and frankly do not always have the right frame of reference to report it accurately. But this is not just in Bolivia.

It will be important for people like Jim to keep the foreign media honest. Bolivia is about to get slammed by a major hammer called world opinion that is increasingly wary of what it is reading, right or wrong. Unfortunately, when Evo decided to ally himself so closely with Chavez he did not just get tens of millions of dollars in support he also got all the negative baggage that has come with the Chavez regime. I do not know whether Evo took that under consideration. But it appears he may be underestimating the negative side to this relationship. Bolivia thus has a tremendous challenge in front of it to get out its story. For example, when Joseph Stiglitz endoress Bolivia's gas nationalization -- we need people like Jim to let us know about it! Don't just write it on your blog, but send us one of those old fashioned press releases.

My personal view is if Bolivia is not to be torn apart in the years to come it will also have to look to Venezuela. At the core of Venezuela's crisis of democracy is the inability for the political right and left to respect each other and allow the rule of law to settle their differences. Bolivia needs to follow a different course, then. Bolivia is going to require reasoned discourse among its different political sectors where all disputes are resolved not by authoritarian bullying but by democratic processes. I know that seems incredibly difficult in a country like Bolivia that is already very much polarized. But it will be important for the Evo government to try. Otherwise, if Evo follows the example of Chavez and completely loses his relations with the political right you may see your beloved country in a crisis much deeper than you ever have imagined possible. Its in the interest of all sides of the political debate, then, to try to develop a functonal, respectful relationship.

11:47 PM  
Anonymous Boliviana 100% said...

Jim,
I got to say you are extremely biased. Many common regular bolivians who i speak to stress about Chavez as well. "Mi caserita" who sells me my "chicle" on my breaks from work, Don Santos who sells me my orange or grapefruit juice at the way to the gym, taxi drivers who drive me home everyday, my caseras at the market i go to, etc. People do stress about Chavez. Yes, you are right, they ask about what about those who are poor and not indigenous. They ask about what if the negotiations go wrong? They say government has never given them anything and that they have to work really hard everyday in order to earn their money, and they ask themselves if it would be possible for them to move away.

In my point of view, or from my own personal experience on speaking with the "regular" Bolivians, i found that mostly those regular bolivians are actually the ones that worry most about their futures, they are the ones that have most to loose. They are trying to understand, they were the ones that were striked worst by the crisis. They are the ones that stay silent because they want peace. Yet they know that everything that goes on will retaliate on their lives. But they have no other option than to work hard everyday because they want to see a better future, and they hate politics but at the same time want to be aware because in the past 5 years they have been so affected by it. They have no sort of safety-net. There is a huge reason of why so many of them are simply immigrating. And they happen to question chavez, many love them, just like many hate him, just like many do not get him. But yes, there is a debate going on among this group of people. Can't say what most think because i haven't made any sort of survey.

I don't know, but perhaps the barrio where you are living is a big bubble in Bolivia. But people are questioning everything that is going on, and not understanding it. That is the problem. They are living a huge uncertainty. People don't get what is going on, they don't understand the figure of Chavez yet they question it, they don't understand it, many enjoy his donations many haven't even seen them, many question his friendship, many simply think that so long they receive benefits its all right. They don't understand the Constituent Assembly yet they will vote. They don't understand about Regional Autonomy yet they have to make a choice of whether to take it or not. This big chunk of Bolivians is the most unrepresented group in government.

Opposition makes a circus out of chavez, but regular people simply worry. I had the perception that those who are most a-political are in the upper middle class, and perhaps some in the upper class. Those who parent the children that drink their life out every weekend and drive mommy's and daddy's suv's to the fancy clubs, parties, etc. Pretending they are rich. Those who have a good position in a good company and believe that whatever happens that company will survive because it already survived the crisis, becuase it is not related to gas, because it is not related to agriculture. Those who haven't got the idea that this time is not the same to our past dictatorships or the UDP. People who think that Evo will fall as easily as he rose.
Perhaps we should raise surveys around the cities of bolivia to get a better picture out of this. but i think that you should not generalize, or underestimate the "regular" Bolivians and their views on the current events that are affecting their day to day life.

11:51 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

The parachute syndrome is not only not exclusive to Bolivia, but not exclusive to journalists. I once heard it said (to and about Catholic missioners, in this case), "Spend a week in a country, you'll want to write a book about it; spend a year, you'll write an article; spend 10 years, you'll learn to keep your mouth shut." Exageration, but the point is clear and accurate.

It would actually be interesting to hear from Jim whether this has been a challenge for the Democracy Center as new and enthusiastic people join them in their work - I believe he's been getting good, quality people, but I wonder how often he finds himself having to temper the zealousness of newly arrived interns. I remember working with human rights groups in Bolivia in the 1990s on the coca issue, and talking to interns who came to do research and evaluate alternative development programs. It was astounding to hear people explain in absolute terms not only what was happening and why it was or wasn't working, but, with supreme confidence, what few simple steps were necessary to solve all problems -- all after a few days in Cochabamba and a two week tour of the Chapare!

And in my experience, the U.S. coverage of Bolivia is mixed, but often incredibly poor. That's why I find this blog (and The Democracy Center Online updates) so valuable - as well as the comments, when they include more than predictable and repetetive sniping at ideological straw men. Anonymous, I'm calling you out!

(Sorry, for some reason I find it amusing to pretend that "Anonymous" is actually the name of one person. What is it they say about simple pleasures?)

3:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 100% Boliviana,

You observation of "regular" bolivian has an universal ring to it. I don't think most of the government around the world governs their countries for the benefit of the "regular" people. Only exception may be the Scandinavian countries. If the regular Bolivians want fundamental changes in their relationship to the government, they must take their citizenship responsibility seriously -- prepare to ask implication of government's decision may that be relationship with Chavez or autonomy for the provinces. They cannot simply or solely rely on their BIG BROTHER - Morales nor they can simply give up. For Bolivia to become a normal country it must NOT remain aloof and its citizen needs to be educated. Without education there is no informed citizenary and without informed citizenary there will never be a government of the people. I am afraid of silent majority (regular people) because they just go along to get along.

The problem of Bolivia is not going to be Chavez, it will be Bolivians failing to analyze what decisions are in their best interest.

The upper class of most countries do not care about national interest, only thing they care about is the protection of their capital. It is not going to be any different for Bolivia. But you would need them to cooperate because they can pass on important business skills to regular people. Bolivia needs grass root empowerment and tell your riches that they can benefit by having a larger group of consumer. I do not whether it is going to work but worth a try.

3:49 AM  
Anonymous OXO said...

A normal country? what is a normal country and why isn't Bolivia one of them? What a weird thing to say!

Now, what I found most interesting here was that suggestion of the Democracy center issuing press releases to give another view of what is happening in Bolivia to the world. I always feel so impotent when I read the international press about Bolivia but there is nothing i can really do about it. So that would be a way to help.

Now a book recommendation: has anyone read any book by Sergio Almaraz Paz, or Waldo Cerruto? These books offer a critical analysis of bolivian history and there is a lot there about the foreign influences and especially America's. Just makes me wonder who is potentially a worst influence, Bush, or Chavez.

7:13 AM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

All I can say is wow!!

WHO IS BEING SILLY???
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The charge that Venezuela masterminded Morales “gas nationalization” decree is just plain silly. That demand came from the Bolivian people back when Chavez was still a young soldier in the Venezuelan army
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Get a clue Jimbo....

The timing of the nationalization decree RIGHT AFTER MEETING WITH CHAVEZ, WITH PDVSA ADVISORS NEXT TO HIM pretty much makes that a reasonable assumption.
The leftist union leader/activist who happens to rule Brazil said so directly to Mr. Chavez, and made sure his Foreign Minister repeat the point in front of Congress and the press.

http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=27861

Your attempts to spin it away by shifting the blame to US interests and press just doesn't cut it anymore.
Have you thought that maybe people in Peru and Brazil are angry because Chavez is openly torpedoing SOUTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION DESIGNED BY SOUTH AMERICANS OR FOR SUPPORTING SPECIFIC CANDIDATES??????????????

BUT WAIT, it gets funnier, see there is a debate about Chavez, and Jimmy here sets it up as two stark choices:
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A. conspiracy theories. Chavez is engaged in a not-so-secret plan to dominate South American politics and make the continent a “Bolivarian” beachhead of anti-US politics in the sole superpower’s political backyard


B. On the other side of the coin in the Evo-Hugo debate are the cheerleaders of that alliance. They say that Chavez and his oil money are helping Bolivia stand up to the US and foreign corporations, government, setting a model of how oil revenue can finance health care, literacy and other basic services for the poor. They deny the charges that Chavez is involved in any scheme to centralize his power
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And where is the debate????
CHAVEZ PRETTY MUCH SAYS THAT HE IS DOING OPTION "A" and in a better mood he talks of B -
Geez, in his most recent tirade he says that "venezuelan blood will be shed if the US invades Bolivia or Cuba Calls other Latin America presidents vassals of imperialism and that they will be reduced to rubble.

http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=29078

HOW LOW CAN YOU GO???
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It is too bad Venezuelan experts like these weren’t at the table, along with Bolivian officials who cared........ during the gas negotiations a decade ago. Bolivia would have more money in its treasury.

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Pretty ignorant statement - and a real cheap shot impugning the patriotism of Bolivian negotiators. Do you seriously get all your knowledge of economics from cab drivers and plumbers? Or is it just selective ignorance????
You criticize those who "declare themselves Bolivia experts, and start publishing." I see you justify the nationaliztion decree with a passing mention to Bolivian history. Gee, by IGNORING THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT of these negotitations you sound about as clueless as your purported targets.

FROM 1984 to 1996 NO PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR MULTINATIONAL ENTITIES WANTED TO LEND BOLIVIA A DIME OR INVEST IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE OF A WELL-DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF POLITICAL INSTABILITY AND BAD ECONOMIC POLICIES THAT CAUSED HYPERINFLATION AND A HUGE DEBT.

Newly elected governments after 82 considered themselves lucky if they made it to the end of the year. Most of the 80's was spent nervously worrying about what the hell the military, Roberto Suarez, Juan Lechin, and the IMF were up to.

And within this context the Bolivian government negotiators from the late 80's to the mid 90's, somehow managed to get Petrobras, international development agencies, private companies and the Brazilian government to build an ambitious project that would pipe gas to Brazil, FINANCED BY THEM -- Petrobras lost money. They also convinced other companies to invest money in the gas industry. That was a damn miracle, and as a result proved gas reserves increased 10 times.

Wow, facts be damned here. How is this any alternative to what the world press says????

11:02 AM  
Anonymous Boliviana 100% said...

Anonymous,
i am 100% with you! what i was trying to point out is that these regular Bolivians are analyzing every single factor that is moving around the political arena at the moment, including chavez. they do care about chavez. they are worried about everything. (However, like you pointed out, not exclusively about Chavez, no one is exclusively worried about him). Jim thinks they don’t, but wow they do. people are scared. many think this country is falling into a worse pit hole. perhaps, the medicine will be worse than the sickness, some would say... you know what i mean?
Our silent majority, right now is going through an interesting phase though. They are constantly being bombarded with contradicting messages. Many are reacting against the popular trend. Many are assimilating the new trend. We might find this majority activating sooner than what we think. It has happened before… the problem is that its activation doesn’t last because once things are sort of “normal” it has gone silent again. You are right, they need education for this. But not any type of education, an education that allows debating, that allows profound analysis. Not the biased education like we have been receiving. Education that has made most Bolivians hate Chileans, think that the only way to development is the sea, or that has not allowed them to see a multicultural Bolivia, where they understand the contribution of each region of this country, and of each people of this country, indigenous, Spanish descent, foreign immigrants (Japanese, Polish, Belgium, French, German, Yugoslavian, Croatian, Middle Eastern). Our culture is extremely rich and the advances, the few we have had, are because we have so many different people living in this tiny country. Mixing each other and sharing a lot of knowledge. There are very little who have remained “pure blood”. We should embrace that.

yup, oxo, normal doesn't exist, we can discuss the world for ever... i guess he or she is trying to say to become a stable, developed democracy.

12:06 PM  
Anonymous Boliviana 100% said...

i meant discuss that word forever... jejejeje we could discuss the world forever as well, i guess... :)

12:08 PM  
Anonymous guillermo said...

bolnica, we all know that you think you are the world's leading authority on bolivia simply because you are adept at doing google searches of right wingnut propaganda sites on the topic. but time for a reality check: you do not know squat. your comments are all soaked in your zealous, idiotic, greed-inspired devotion to the gas companies which makes everything you say come across as a farce.

its easy for a rich or middle class freak with some bolivian bloodlines in miami to take pot shots at evo morales for trying to help the poor in his country, isn't? i suggest you worry about your own world, bolivia does not need your warped perspective from outside the fisbbowl.

that said, i will respond to some of your points.

1) you say venezuela masterminded bolivia's gas nationalization decree. bolnica, are you really such a sleaze with the facts? have you been on another planet the last three years while this country has been almost on the verge of splitting in half over gas nationalization protests? obviously, the push for gas nationalization came from bolivians who had much, much time over this period to figure out by themselves what it is they want. indeed, evo knew what that decree was going to say before he became president.

2) you continue to charge that chavez is torpedoing south american integration. its well-known to anyone who bothers to study chavez that his number one goal in foreing policy is to unite south america. he cares more about that than any other leader on the continent. thus you have petro america, and venezuela joing mercosur, etc, etc. read websites other than rightwingnut.com, bolnica. as for his spats with peru and brazil, every country has their ocasional spats. chile has spats with peru all the time nevertheless do we hear freakos like you announcing that chile is torperdoing south american integration because of that?

3) your a-b debate, bolinica, get a clue. the answer, drum roll please, its b! only freakoidiots like yourself still buy the 5th-rate disinformation that american bureaucrats or pentagon agennts from the u.s. army with little education, like our poor janitor friend norman, sell you at rightwingnut.com and other such half-baked information sources.

4)as for the gas negotiators, yeah, maybe if bolivia had negotiated with the best interests of bolivia in mind, and not the foreign corporations like enron who wine and dined goni like he was a king so they could get into the brazil-bolivia gas deal, then just maybe the last five years would have been supremely more peaceful. its clear, though, goni fucked up bolivia's gas sector and now we are all trying to clean up his mess.

5) nobody wanted to lend a dime to bolivia up until 1996? back that up with real numbers, please. it looks to me as if bolivia got quite a lot of foreign assistance in good times and bad. it is true, however, that the ypfb had a hard time getting enough financing on its own, which is why it brought in brazil as a 50-50 partner in building the gas pipeline, as you say, and brazil has done pretty nicely with that, despite your unfounded statement to the contrary. i mean, buying gas at less than half of the world average price is pretty much a steal is it not?

6) bolivia's political instability througout history is well-documented. but what your ugly mind overlooks in your comment about governments after 1982 is that since that same year, 1982, bolivia has had no military coups and all presidents of bolivia have been elected. those presidents not elected were there because of a death, in the case of banzer and quiroga, or a resignation, in the case of mesa and rodriguez.

7) yes, reserves increased 10 times, but its not like the gas companies created them, they were there and waiting to be found. it was a matter of time. nevertheless, reserves or not, the country was earning well less from the sector than it was before, as i have already pointed out to you. but of course, you only want to read what you want to believe, right?

bolnica, time to flush you..

12:44 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...


6) bolivia's political instability througout history is well-documented. but what your ugly mind overlooks in your comment about governments after 1982 is that since that same year, 1982, bolivia has had no military coups and all presidents of bolivia have been elected. those presidents not elected were there because of a death, in the case of banzer and quiroga, or a resignation, in the case of mesa and rodriguez.


YOU CLEARLY DO NOT GET IT....

WTF DO YOU THINK I PICKED 82 IN THE FIRST PLACE???? 82 was a baseline year in Bolivian politics, because it marked the end of more or less 18 years of semi-continuous military rule.
MANY PEOPLE AT THAT TIME DID NOT THINK THAT CIVILIAN, ELECTED RULE WOULD SURVIVE!!! And that goes for just about every other South American government.

THAT INFORMED THE THINKING OF MANY PEOPLE DURING THE 80's and WELL INTO THE 90's!!!



7) yes, reserves increased 10 times, but its not like the gas companies created them, they were there and waiting to be found. it was a matter of time. nevertheless, reserves or not, the country was earning well less from the sector than it was before, as i have already pointed out to you. but of course, you only want to read what you want to believe, right?


IT IS NOT A MATTER OF TIME...THINGS CAN JUST SIT THERE FOR YEARS, AND IF NO ONE HAS THE MONEY, TECHNOLOGY, AND WILL TO EXPLORE THEM, IT WILL JUST SIT THERE.

1:51 PM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

A journalist:

I should've left the quotation marks out, I was paraphrasing, didn't mean to confuse you. On the other hand, this is not the first post were Jim throws a punch to the foreign reporters who don't agree with his vision. Take a look at the archives section.

As far as reading the post :) I did read it and found it worth commenting, after not having done so in around two months. I like the reactions we are getting, especially from the anonymous journalists the holier than thou attitude is alive and well in that profession.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous A journalist said...

Jonathan,

Please. Whether in quote marks or not, what you charged the DC with saying was that, "all of those foreign journalists keep getting it wrong, time and time again".

In fact the DC post said, "Some get Bolivia and the story remarkably well and some don’t get it very well at all.”

Do you really not see the difference. If I say that some cars are red and some cars are blue, I have not said that all cars are blue.

Is that really too complex for you to absorb?

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd guess the problem with the American and European press is they don't care about the other side of the news. They have a slant influenced by their conservative leaders and gas lobby. The enclosed is from a China news service, where else can we find it?


French leader lauds Bolivia's nationalization of energy industry

www.chinaview.cn 2006-05-26 11:06:06

BRASILIA, May 25 (Xinhua) -- Visiting French President Jacques Chirac on Thursday praised the nationalization of fossil fuel assets in Bolivia on May 1, saying it had "restored honor to a suffering people."

President Chirac made the remarks at a press conference on Thursday during his visit to Brazil.

After a three-hour meeting with Brazil's President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva at the Alvorada Palace, Chirac told reporters that Brazil and Bolivia were sure to find a peaceful solution to the dispute generated by the issue, in which Petrobras, the energy company owned by Brazil, had lost valuable assets.

The spat between the two Latin American countries erupted after Bolivia's decision to nationalize its energy sector in an effort to fight poverty, and a possible move to seize Bolivian land held by Brazilian farmers.

But Lula said the problem would be resolved through negotiation, adding that he always believed in the power of dialogue.

Lula added that regional integration was essential for building peace and democracy.

Earlier this month, Bolivian President Evo Morales accused foreign oil companies of having long evaded taxes and smuggling out Bolivian oil under "unconstitutional" contracts.

Meanwhile, he criticized some foreign companies for not respecting Bolivian laws, including Brazilian state-run energy firm Petrobras.

Chirac is scheduled to leave Brazil on Friday for Chile, where he will meet his Chilean counterpart, Michelle Bachelet. Enditem

Editor: Wang Yan

4:05 PM  
Blogger Darrell said...

Great post Jim. I especially liked your dressing down of the WSJ's reporting. I have friends here that say: "Oh, the WSJ has such good and factual reporting." I think its just as biasd as any other mainstream U.S. newspaper. More so, its writers are nothing but tools of the Wall Street elite - hence the name. And, I'm always glad to see my cautionary suspicions are supported.

Great comments all around. Brevity is a good trait in writing; many of these posts could easily be cut down by half if you left out the name calling.

10:10 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Sure appears you don't even know basic Bolivian history:...
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5) nobody wanted to lend a dime to bolivia up until 1996? back that up with real numbers, please. it looks to me as if bolivia got quite a lot of foreign assistance in good times and bad. it is true, however, that the ypfb had a hard time getting enough financing on its own.........
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IN THE 80'S BOLIVIA'S ECONOMY TOTALLY COLLAPSED! IT COULD NOT PAY ITS FOREIGN DEBT, COULD NOT PAY ITS OBLIGATIONS, PRINTED UP MONEY AND ENDED UP WITH THE WORLDS HIGHEST INFLATION.

The sort of aid that came in, was last resort stuff to either pay off existing debt or emergency aid. Getting fresh loans for development projects was impossible because of the mess they had entered into previously.


------ 1) you say venezuela masterminded
bolivia's gas nationalization decree.

Venezuela CLEARLY INFLUENCED THE TIMING AND POSSIBLY THE WORDING OF THE DECREE.

2) You continue to charge that chavez is torpedoing south american integration. its well-known to anyone who bothers to study chavez that his number one goal in foreing policy is to unite south america. he cares more about that than any other leader on the continent. thus you have petro america, and venezuela joing mercosur, etc, etc. read websites other than rightwingnut.com, bolnica. as for his spats with peru and brazil, every country has their ocasional spats. chile has spats with peru all the time nevertheless do we hear freakos like you announcing that chile is torperdoing south american integration because of that?
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LULA HIMSELF SAID THAT CHAVEZ IS TORPEDOING SOUTH AMERICAN INTEGRATION - both the gas pipeline and Mercosur. By supporting EVO.

CHAVEZ IS DRIVING A WEDGE BETWEEN SOUTH AMERICAN'S BIGGEST COUNTRY AND VENEZUELA , AND INVOLVING BOLIVIA TOO.... That messes with any attempts at unity in the long run by poisoing relations between former allies.

Dude, the best you can do is trash me personally (very badly at that) by claiming 1. That I am some rich Bolivian, 2. that I somehow work -or get paid - by oil companies, and 3. by claiming I am so far away from the scene to not know crap....

You sound pretty upper-middle class and American yourself, so whats up with you??
You are also a hypocrite since you unconditionally buy everything that this hard left website says.

10:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bol-Nica:

Day three and still waiting for all that documentation for your claim that Chavez funneled money to Morales. Well, something more substantial than: "it's a matter of record".

I am sure it is more fun for you to just write your rants and name-calling than actually back things up with actual evidence, but give it a shot.

10:32 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

This is too funny.... Despite what Jimbo and the rest of the apologists and lemmings say, Chavez comes in and throws down some serious marching orders to Bolivians telling them to vote for Evo:

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Sin embargo, con su habitual locuacidad, Chavez adelantó que "Evo llegó al poder para quedarse. La revolución boliviana llegó para quedarse y la Constituyente es sólo el primer paso" de esa consolidación en el poder. Por eso, pidió a los bolivianos que participen masivamente en la campaña a la Constituyente, porque "si la fuerza revolucionaria [el MAS] no consigue una mayoría aplastante, el proceso de redactar una nueva Constitución es inviable por la vía pacífica". Añadió que "si la derecha ganara en la Asamblea Constituyente", sería "capaz de parar la nacionalización de los hidrocarburos", decisión por la que felicitó a Morales.
El bombazo llegó cuando Chávez aseguró que "hay una conspiración para derrocar a Evo" y pidió a los bolivianos que estén "alerta" y, en caso de un intento de golpe de estado, "tomen las calles".
El venezolano acusó a Estados Unidos de estar detrás de esa conspiración. "Si el presidente Bush dice que está muy preocupado porque en Bolivia se está erosionando la democracia, eso significa que él ya dio luz verde para que comiencen a conspirar contra el Gobierno de Evo y sus instituciones", advirtió. Incluso, se permitió instruir a las Fuerzas Armadas de Bolivia para "desobedecer" si "alguien les ordena derrocar a Evo".
"No deben cumplir esa orden, lo que deben hacer es detener al golpista y meterlo preso de inmediato", pidió, antes de asegurar que fue la Embajada de Estados Unidos quien tramó el golpe de Estado lanzado contra él en 2002

12:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

100% Boliviana,

You got me. Amazing! When I was talking about "Normal" country I meant a country where human rights are respected, opportunity to earn a dignified living and rights to challenge authority with in the context of law. When I say education it does not mean indoctrination, it means education free of biases and prejudices. It means teaching people how to think objectively.

All I am suggesting is Bolivia under Morales takes the path of South Africa under Nelson Mandela. I am advocating for Morales to take the high road. Under no circumstances I am suggesting Bolivia does not take ownership of its resources. I am simply suggesting that Bolivia lower the temperature of its politics and focus on what is good for Bolivia and its people.

Bolivia should not be in the news for not only for revolutionary proclamations but also for practical steps the new government is taking to alleviate proverty and facilitate creation of employment opportunity. Politics of slogans does not work, even the Indian Communists(meaning India in Asia) came to the same conclusion many years ago. They had been busy creating job opportunities in the states they rule in India in partnership with capitalists, yes - capitalist. Along the way, they happen to have the balanced budget of all indian states.

Absolutists and ideologues brought hell to this world. And I for one, do not trust them regardless of their ideologies. Consequently, I cannot buy into all the mumbo jumbo of Chavez. That is why I think Morales should maintain a healthy distance from Chavez ideology of socialist paradise.

As for Morales, I say, don't just look to Chavez, look at the world around and see what worked elsewhere and did not work. Propoganda will not bring prosperity nor stability to Bolivia, it will simply arouse the passion and at some point passion will die. All be left is decrepitated body of Bolivia. Beware of irrational exuberance!

4:47 AM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

So Jimbo tries deflecting attention away from Chavez and the Cubans. Too bad Fidel himself wasn't here.

The claim that Evo has "aligned his country so closely with Venezuela's" seems pretty reasonable after hearing Chavez come in and pretty much TELL BOLIVIANS WHAT TO DO IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY....

CHAVEZ TELLS BOLIVIANS THAT EVO IS HERE TO STAY...AND TO BOLIVIAN VOTERS TELLS THEM TO VOTE FOR MAS POSITION TO CONSOLIDATE REVOLUTION

"Evo came to power to say, the bolivian revolution is here to stay, and the Constituyente is only the first step"

"if the revolutionary forces do not get a smashing majority, the process of drafting a new constitution is not viable through peaceful means"

"if the right wins in the Constitutional Assembly....."it is capable of stopping nationalization"

CHAVEZ TELLS BOLIVIANS ABOUT ANTI-EVO CONSPIRACY....BUSH IS BAD...CHAVEZ TELLS BOLIVIANS TO TAKE TO THE STREETS

"there is a conspiracy to overthrow Evo" "be alert...and take to the streets" (in case there is a coup)
If Bush says he is worried about the erosion of democracy, that means he gave green light to start conspiring against the government of Evo and its institutions."

LT COL CHAVEZ OF THE BOLIVARIAN ARMY GIVES ORDERS TO THE BOLIVIAN ARMY TO THROW PEOPLE IN JAIL..

"disobey if anyone orders you to overthrow Evo" "you must not obey that order, what you must do is detain the coup instigators and throw them in jail immediately.

8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

have any one found the coincidence in Evo wanting to win the constituency with 80% just like chavez did?

people must stop denying the similiarities...

10:54 AM  
Anonymous guillermo said...

bolnica, we all know you will not accept you are wrong no matter what we tell you. that is called arrogance, and foolishness. people like you inevitably evolve into bigots, because when they close their minds off to the truth, they become ignorant which feeds prejudices and morons.

you have not disproved a single point i made, just proved what kind of person you are. for example, you keep coming back to lula to defend your weak, and irrelevant point, about chavez disrupting that so crucial "south america integration." lula has not said anything of the kind -- read lula's statements in the press. of course, i have shown you some of them, and you are deaf, dumb, and blind.

bolnica, the more you struggle to defend a weak point of view the more you are headed for a complete nervous breakdown. just let the truth in and be free!

anonymous, i like your reply to 100% boliviana, we need less ideology from evo and more focus on pragmatic deeds for the people. i have no problem with evo accepting help from chavez, or being friends with chavez, but it would also be good if he accepted help from other countries, including the united states. but if the united states wants to help, or other countries want to help, that help should be with no strings attached. and it would be good if evo took the high road, like mandela, and not just sought to help his indigenous and poor supporters but tried to unify the entire bolivian people and not divide them. in the long term, we need all bolivians to support a more fair, more prosperous bolivia for the poor majority.

speaking of venezuela aid, the miami herald came out with one of its biggest rightwing propaganda articles yet about bolivia yesterday. jim, i hope you will call attention to the distorted image and cheap shots this article broadcasted. it did not surpise me, the reporter, tyler bridges, is a specialist in conservative bias-reporting backed by factual errors, but this time it was especially ugly. i plan to get in touch with organizations and journalists who monitor the press to get them to pressure the herald to start putting out accurate, fair press on bolivia. hope you will do the same, jim.

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let yourself be free, Bolnica!

12:24 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

you have not disproved a single point i made, just proved what kind of person you are. for example, you keep coming back to lula to defend your weak, and irrelevant point, about chavez disrupting that so crucial "south america integration." lula has not said anything of the kind -- read lula's statements in the press.

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Brazil's foreign minister said:

"Esa incomodidad (de Brasil) fue expresada de manera inequívoca por el presidente (Luiz Inacio) Lula, al punto de que me dijo que eso colocaba en riesgo no sólo el gasoducto (del Sur) sino la propia integración sudamericana", dijo el jefe de la diplomacia brasileña.
http://www.miami.com/mld/elnuevo/news/world/americas/14579849.htm


El presidente brasileño Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva le advirtió a su colega boliviano Evo Morales, en la reunión que ambos tuvieron el sábado en Viena, que su gobierno no vivirá bajo amenazas en relación a los suministros de gas natural de Bolivia.

Según una versión que registran ayer los principales diarios brasileños, Lula le dijo a Morales que más allá de la disputa entre los dos países por la nacionalización de los yacimientos gasíferos en Bolivia estaba un plan mayor de Brasil para la integración de América del Sur.

''Estoy pagando un precio alto'', habría dicho Lula. ''No peleé con (el presidente de Estados Unidos, George W.) Bush, no peleé con nadie y no voy a pelear con usted. Pero no quiero tener una espada sobre mi cabeza'', dijo, de acuerdo con la versión de los diarios brasileños.

En el desenlace habría intervenido el presidente venezolano Hugo Chávez, a quien Lula habría dicho que la actitud que tomaba Morales constituía ''una locura''.

2:30 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Here...read the analysis I did about this issue with plenty of cites

http://bolicarreras.blogspot.com/2006/05/bolivia-vs-brazil-viennanamecalling.html

2:40 PM  
Anonymous guillermo said...

bolnica,
you are truly deranged. i can't imagine how anyone could get their jollys from such a boring topic with little meaning. nevertheless, the first mistake you make in your gossip column is to rely on the distorted news coming out of the miami herald operation, which has become a tool of right wing propaganda and manufactures mistakes as a matter of course. the herald's andres oppenheimer is the king of neoliberal denial, while its former editorial board director, alvaro vargas llosa, has become the branistrust behind the false propaganda spread by the poor pro-neoliberal cheerleaders banished to their sleek offices in the states where they are licking their wounds as the entire continenet rejects their thinking. now, they even try to claim lula as one of their own. what a farce they are. eventually, their false analysis and distortion will be defeated just like their neoliberal model.

reality is, bolnica, your analysis on this topic is based primarily on rumors and hearsay from the brazilian press, which lula himself has excoriated publicly. but lets suppose you are right, and lula in the beginning got angry over chavez supporting evo and even said, as you quote, my gosh, hugo is messing up south american integration. so f-cking what?

in any case, the present official brazil position, and the words that have come out of lula's mouth publicly, say something different. that was on display as recently as late last week when france's president jacque chirac said side by side with lula that he fully supports and agrees with evo's move to nationalize the gas sector. look up this thread at the new story from china news agency where jacques chirac is said to have praised the bolivian gas nationalization as doing "honor" to bolivia's long "suffering people."
blog that.

bolivia's gas moves are not threatening south american integration. indeed, it may help as now bolivia is becoming more amenable to exporting its gas, and not just to brazil and argentina, but they are seriously discussing and will likely soon export gas to chile. the gas integration of the continent has gotten a big boost with the morales presidency.

5:42 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Do you really hear what you are saying??
1. You are denying that Bolivia's budget crisis, foreign loan defaults, and hyperinflation in the 80's caused the country's credit rating to go to hell, result of which private and public lenders were wary of lending money to them.
2. You are denying that there is a serious foreign policy crisis between Bolivia and Brazil.
3. You are denying that this crisis is straining the special relationship between Bolivia and Brazil since the mid-70's, a direction that every Bolivian president has followed since Banzer, and which was based initially on playing Brazil off against Argentina.
4. You are denying that Chavez has a heavy influence on Evo, and that Evo is following if not his direct advice, at least following his methods.
5. You are denying that it is widely perceived by policymakers in Brazil that Chavez is threatening South American integration.
--Just about after the Summit of the America's, Chavez still was thought to be a player in Mercosur, and that is why his outbursts against Bush were welcomed by the Brazilians, who want to go with Mercosur vs. FTAA. But that after this row with Bolivia, many key Brazilian policymakers are turned off to him.

6. You are denying that Brazils military establishment, critical in long term planning of the country's foreign policy has put Chavez at the top of the list,

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Boliviana 100% said...

Have some questions for you guys, would like to know your opinions. I just came back from an interesting conversation, it had a lot to do with hydrocarbons and chemistry and physics I will never comprehend in a life time, but oh well….

What do you people think about Brazil becoming almost completely self sufficient on energy, thus stopping their dependency on our gas? Inside sources from Petrobras told me that Brazil is going to cut its dependency on Bolivian gas by at least 60% in the next three years, I did argue that this was impossible, but rrrrr scientist and their knowledge on technological advancements and the ultra efficient use of every single ion of the chemical etc just beat me. Moreover, according to a friend, he said he heard lula on the news saying Brazil will get rid of the dependency in 1 (did not actually heard the news but I am trusting this person, so correct me if no one heard that). I do not really now how feasible it is, I am not a chemical or petroleum engineer. All I know is that I learned that everything is possible, and that their explanation was plausible, plus they are kind of dropping the towel on campaigning against nationalisation. According to them, they (Brazil as a whole and Petrobras) already had plans on alternative fuels which they would simply accelerate. They already have much of the infrastructure, technology, and the fuel itself, and there is a possibility to use their small own gas reserves until the plan has gone through fully. Plus, the evidence seems to be on their side, there is a fever on sugar cane plantations and ethanol, and they do have a small reserve of gas. But like I said, I am no petrochemical engineer… But everything can happen. I learned to never underestimate anyone, and to never underestimate the power of human beings when it comes technological advancements.

Let’s say it is feasible, what would happen to Bolivia if the Brazilian plan is real (a tiny part of me still questions the info that was thrown at me) and actually succeeds? How bad is our dependency on gas exports to Brazil going to hit us?
According to this scenario it would be in an extremely short period of time, and let’s say we are not prepared (most likely we won’t be prepared, we never are). Would we be in a sufficiently desperate position to exclude the maritime issue when the conjuncture forces us to negotiate gas with Chile?

And Finally, forget about Brazil’s “independence” from us: Do you guys agree that we are heading straight forward into the Dutch Disease? (Some economists, including me, think we are already suffering from some of the symptoms)

11:10 PM  
Anonymous guillermo said...

hi boliviana 100%, will give you my two cents. but first, are you a bolivian 100 percent? i ask because your command of english is pretty good. what do you do? economist? writer?

anyhow, as for your questions. i also read recently where lula was saying it may be possible for brazil to be self-sufficient with natural gas as soon as 2008. but i think that is probably moreso a negotiating move, i.e. he wants bolivia to think brazil does not need their gas in order to drive down the price of bolivian gas. both countries are posturing right now, for example bolivian energy minister suggested recently that petrobras should be left out of the south american pipeline that venezuela has been pushing in response to petrobras criticism of bolivia's nationalization..there is a war of words going on, but you need to keep in mind the context. that said, if brazil can do what you are suggesting, which, though not likely in the short-term, and probably difficult even in the long-term, if they can cut their dependence on bolivian gas in the current setup it would devastate bolivia's gas sector. from what i have read bolivia is already discussing gas deals with uruguay and paraguay, and relations between chile and bolivia are improving and both countries seem optimistic. evo was warmly welcomed when he visited chile in march and has developed good relations with the new chilean president. evo has already said he is in favor of selling gas to chile, and the latest i have read is that the morales government will not link gas exports to the maritime conflict as carlos mesa did. in other words, it appears that the new bolivia government has abandoned the mesa strategy of trying to use bolivian gas to win their demands for a soveriegn coast access. at the end of the day, chile is desperate for gas. completely desperate. and if bolivia can indeed separate the maritime question from the gas deals bolivia will have a big gas customer in chile. also, bolivia plans to do some value added ventures with its gas, petrochemical plants, for example. still, losing brazil would be pretty tough especially if it ocurred as soon as you suggest. though, given brazil has a contract with bolivia till 2019 i doubt that will happen.

as for dutch disease, i don't think bolivia is even close to that yet. but if you are an economist, or even if you are not, you ought to read an article from joseph stiglitz on the subject, which you can find here:
http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/download/opeds/We_Can_Now_Cure_Dutch_Disease.htm

how is that for a long, rambling response?

12:19 AM  
Anonymous guillermo said...

as for my adversary, bolnica.

now, you really are going off the deep end. you are now putting words into my mouth. and just engaging in completley bizarre ideas about brazil, bolivia, chavez. etc.

i never "denied" the bolivian financial crisis you refer to, i only said that foreign financial assistance did not completely come to a halt during the period you suggested in your earlier post when you made the really outlandish, completely false statement:
"FROM 1984 to 1996 NO PUBLIC, PRIVATE OR MULTINATIONAL ENTITIES WANTED TO LEND BOLIVIA A DIME OR INVEST IN THE COUNTRY "

i mean, really, bolnica, who can believe such bullshit. we know that is crap.

i did not say that bolivia and brazil do not have a conflict, obviously there are some issues to be resolved. what i said is that the conflict between brazil and bolivia over gas is not the crisis you have painted it to be.

no, bolnica, i did not make any denials about chavez influencing evo, read again my comments. i said that evo's gas decree was a foregone conclusion, a done deal before evo took office in january. evo and his supporters already knew what they wanted for the gas sector and did not need hugo to tell them what to do.

denial, denials, i have not the time to continue. but will say i am not making any of the denials you suggest. none of your bizarre screed ever did enter into my words or thinking.

you are a complete freak.

12:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

100% Boliviana,

Brazil is very advanced in the alternative fuel usage, perhaps the most advanced in the world. With recent discovery of oil & small gas deporit offshore they are going to be energy independent. Almost 80% of the Brazilian automobiles run on flex fuel which is considerably cheaper than refined petroleum. They also use sugar case waste to fuel the very farming equipment processes the sugar cane. They can also change fuel input from gas to ethanol for other industries. They may not be able to accomplish the changeover in one year but they are within the striking distance.

This is the very reason I have been advocating caution on the side of Morales. Besides that Chile is going to complte building of LNG terminal. That means they can import gas from any one at the world market price.

Morales has a way out provided he does not piss off everyone other than Chavez. That is using Bolivian gas to produce finished products out of its mineral such as iron ore. This will require huge investment as well as know how transfer which Venezuela does not have. Value-added manufacturing will also require higher level of skill sets from the labor forces, meaning lots of training. Once again, foreign expertise. Perhaps Bolivia can initiate dual-track strategy, one track selling minerals and the other track to add value incrementally. Bolivia needs to buy time so she can control her destiny and lots of assistance from friendly countries.

Hopefully my answer helps. Ciao!

2:03 AM  
Anonymous oxo said...

I vote we just ignore Bolinica. No point arguing the same over and over definitely going nowhere. It sounded to me that if there really are so easy elternatives to oil-based fuel, the world would know more about it? But it is all possible, I guess, and I have heard about running cars on used cooking oil, for example. If anyone can provide further links or info on the subject?

6:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The anonymous response to Boliviana 100% was so obviously Bolnica.

Chile is building a LNG terminal but I really doubt Chile would prefer to pay 2-3 times as much to import gas from half way around the world than to get it from Bolivia.

Brazil is going to be energy independent? Prove it with hard data, friend.

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brazil, yes, is energy independent for the gas for its automobiles. And it wants to be for residential or industrial needs but to do so it will take major investment and time. Read the enclosed from a recent EFE news article:

Lula said he instructed Energy Minister Silas Rondeu and the CEO of state-run oil company Petrobras, Sergio Gabrielli, to work to make Brazil energy-independent.

"Brazil cannot be dependent on any country, when it comes to a matter of energy that is important for development. We are now in a position to work on that," the head of state said on his weekly radio show, "Coffee with the president."

He said that his administration is already investing in alternative sources of energy.

"We want to strengthen another energy matrix with the construction of an enormous number of plants to be able to produce biodiesel, which will create millions of jobs and generate another factor of independence for Brazil," Lula said.

The government is forming partnerships with private firms and rural cooperatives to produce biodiesel from castor oil, palm oil, sunflower oil and soy. A pioneer in ethanol production, agricultural powerhouse Brazil is well-placed to expand its biofuel output and to reap big benefits from doing so.

The country's "flex fuel" technology, which allows a car to run on either gasoline or alcohol, has revolutionized the local auto industry, with more than 1 million biofuel vehicles on the streets of Latin America's largest country.

Lula recently termed it an "historic error" for Brazil to have promoted the widespread domestic use of natural gas when the country is largely dependent on another nation for its supply of the fuel.

Brazil imports every day some 26 million cubic meters of Bolivian gas, amounting to half of this country's consumption. Heavily industrialized Sao Paulo state, responsible for a third of GDP, gets 70 percent of its natural gas through the pipeline from Bolivia.

Yet Brazil's energy matrix is already fairly diversified, as 65 percent of the country's power comes from hydroelectric plants, while Petrobras has located significant reserves of natural gas in Atlantic coastal waters and in the Amazon jungle.

But it will take big investment in wells, processing plants and pipelines to make those reserves available to factories and households.

And though Lula stresses the need to reduce dependence on foreign sources of energy, he reaffirmed on Monday his interest in what detractors call a pharaonic project to build a pipeline to carry natural gas from Venezuela to Brazil and Argentina.

The conduit is set to extend more than 8,000 kilometers (almost 5,000 miles) and projected to cost $20 billion.

Lula, who said that the proposed mega-pipeline "can resolve the gas-supply problem for the century," told Brazilians he is exploring new kinds of ventures to achieve continent-wide development in Latin America.

Earlier Monday, Lula had said that he will not bully Bolivia, a country less well-off than his own, but also vowed to haggle with La Paz over the natural gas price hike demanded by his colleague and fellow socialist Evo Morales.

9:28 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

Wow, Guillermo, Boli-Nica, you guys need to get out more on the weekends!

Alright, some logic: If the grocery store on the corner doubles its price for your favorite item, you will most likely look for a different source. If you can’t find one, you need to decide if you can reduce your dependence on the product. If you can’t, you need improve your bargaining position to see if you can strike a favorable deal with the store. It doesn’t matter if you are friends with the owner of the store; it’s a matter of economics. Brazil is following that exactly. Honestly, Brazil is being much more prudent than the U.S. in seeking / using alternative fuels, and yes, they are getting very good at it. Will they really free themselves from dependence on Bolivian gas? I suppose it’s a real possibility. If not, Lula wouldn’t insult Morales intelligence through an obvious bluff. Give some credit to national leaders, or at least to their advisors. What Mr. Morales needs to ask is what would be the cost of losing a significant portion of the Brazilian market? Will Uruguay and Paraguay make up the difference? What about this proposed pipeline throughout South America? Will it really help Bolivia to have Venezuelan gas make its way through Brazil, Paraguay, and Uruguay?

Back to Mr. Chavez: It really was an entertaining speech. I’m afraid I focused most on when he was accusing the U.S. Is he for real claiming that the U.S. is plotting against Morales government? What does he think the U.S. would do? He repeatedly accuses the U.S. of trying to overthrow him in Venezuela and now he spreads the same paranoia here. Simply put, his purpose appears to have been to strongly polarize Bolivia and to sew deep mistrust / hatred of the U.S. Fortunately, you don’t need facts for that, just hyperbole. Why would he do it? The central focus from the very beginning; the constitutional assembly – as he himself now states. Why did Mr. Morales so flamboyantly nationalize the hydrocarbons when he did? The assembly. Once again, what do you want changed in the constitution? I know what Mr. Morales wants. What he has always wanted – to allow him to stay in power as long as possible and to write a constitution not for Bolivia, but rather for a particular ethnic group in Bolivia. I expect he will succeed. These two are both fantastic at inflammatory rhetoric. I wonder where it will leave Bolivia in the long run.

Sidebar: for one of the Anon’s, 18 March 2004: "Venezuela's military attaché to Bolivia was expelled a few months ago for giving money to Morales, and it is reported that Morales received money from Venezuelan officials in a visit to Caracas." http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/18/173533.shtml It isn’t a smoking gun, but why wouldn’t Chavez have been funding Morales? Now your turn: Do you categorically deny that Chavez provided money to Morales to enable him to destabilize the previous governments? They all hated Goni – of course Chavez would have supported that.

Now Guillermo, can we dispense with the leading three paragraphs of insults on the next post? And what have you got against janitors anyway? Take the silver spoon out of you mouth, some of had to start out actually working.

10:58 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

BTW again, for those of you in favor of re-writing the constitution to allow for re-election of the President, what would you have said if Goni tried to do it? I actually am in favor of it. Viva Uribe!

11:32 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

BTW2 - Uribe - 62%, closest rival Carlos Gaviria - 22% of the vote - that's getting closer to a "landslide victory". I'm not sure where the cutoff is, but I think it's above 53%.

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, so Morales and Chavez put on a big clown show with big wildly colorful ethnic costumes not usually seen on statesmen. Don't tell me they didn't WANT attention. The costumes aren't a big deal but the official photos THEY released show themselves partying wild, gape-mouthed, conspiring. All of this was calculated to draw attention. And YOU say the media misinterpret this? Are you suggesting that they photoshop those photos to show Chavez looking demure and dignified? Are you suggesting that the media strike off a few zeros on Chavez's big-bucks money-shoveling into Bolivia and take his claim at FACE VALUE that it's all no-strings-attached, done out of love? Jim, do you understand the requirements of media? That you can't photoshop images, that you can't cut numbers lower so that people will be less alarmed? News media have to report what's in front of them, and Chavez and Morales made no secret of what they WANTED reported.

2:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman: have you forgotten the venuezuelan coup in 2002, in which the US and Spain where somehow involved?

"After the coup, it would emerge that the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), an agency of the US government, had quadrupled its funding for Venezuelan 'democrats' (the opposition) in the year leading up to the coup. NED funding of the opposition totalled $877,000.

In January 2002, the Venezuelan government gave legal expression to its plans to radically reform PDVSA by passing the Hydrocarbon Law. This law also doubled the royalties charged to foreign oil companies in Venezuela, chief among them US giant Exxon-Mobil. It was to take effect on January 1, 2003."

http://www.voltairenet.org/article120006.html

3:28 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Anon, I've heard all kinds of claims by Mr. Chavez, repeated by left-wing sources, about the attempted coup. The problem is that no mainstream media corroborates his claims against the US. The mainstream was all over Abu Graib and they are all over pretty much any incident that they suspect Mr. Bush or any US government agency may have been involved in, but they aren't biting on what Chavez says. Left-leaning media unquestioningly believe Chavez. Al Jazeera believes him; Narco News believes him; various English language Venezuelan sources believe him. Obviously right-leaning networks like Fox news don’t believe him, but what about the sources neither left nor right? Your source, Voltairnet, is apparently left leaning. Their Spanish language stories today include “La “amenaza” Chávez”, “Alvaro Uribe: siglo 18, Carlos Gaviria; siglo 21”, and “Masivo apoyo popular a médicos cubanos”. Their lead English language story today is that a Boeing jet never hit the Pentagon! (That’s a tough one to fake.)

I have found reports that US intelligence knew of a potential coup, but did not warn Mr. Chavez. I can understand hurt feelings over that, but the same report indicated "repeated warnings that the U.S. will not support any extraconstitutional moves to oust Chávez probably have given pause to the plotters."

I don’t really blame the paranoia, I just don’t personally believe it this time. All that said, given that Mr. Chavez first tried to take power in a coup in 1992, where does he have room to complain anyway?

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Boliviana 100% said...

Thank you for your answers to my questions.
Guillermo, yes i am 100% Bolivian, raised and born in Bolivia by parents raised and born in Bolivia. I am an economist and a political scientist. At the moment I do a potpourri of stuff, do consulting, write, and implement social projects. Thank you for your complements on my English, I do work hard to diversify my vocabulary and learn other languages.

Anyway, coming back to the Dutch disease, I read that article some time ago. However, we still suffer from our ancient problem: WE NEVER LEARN. Like spending a fix percentage of the money coming from the IDH on very badly ran universities instead of primary schools and focusing on technical education for high schools. This year we will break our record on public investment. This means more physical infrastructure. There again, money is not been canalised into the productive areas. Government is still reluctant to work directly with the private sector in productive, competitive, long-term projects, like reducing the barriers imposed in the banking system. Here goes a very simple example: the Bank superintendence only allows bank accounts to be opened if the person is physically in Bolivia. This is an extremely ridiculous policy given the fact that we have over 2 million Bolivians living outside our boundaries, sending 860 million dollars in remittances a year (Data from AIDB). Such policy creates an extreme difficulty to initiate a campaign on financial education that will allow the surplus of remittances to be saved or invested in long-term projects, more over, with out flexibility it is impossible for banks to produce financial products that would work as a money multiplier for the remittances sent. Furthermore, they plan to place a special tax on finance transactions in dollars. This will only drive us into the informal sector. However, the government satanizes commercial banks alluding that they simply place high interest rates because they want to do so. Notice, they constantly approach the private sector offering a helping hand but slay them with the other. Another example is their plan to use the military instead of private companies to build the roads heading to the northern region of our country under the excuse that the military would be less corrupt, however, corruption is not the creation of the private sector. Corruption is the symptom of a badly ran government and a desperate society. I am even more worried with the fact that they are going to exchange soy-bean with diesel, the only way they could do that to begin with is by directly meddling in the commerce of soybean. Huge government intrusion. I strongly believe that the government will never have the necessary capabilities to make long-term competitive jobs that will eventually increase the standard of living of our country. Seem to have rumble on that for too long.
On Gas, Oxo, lots has been done for alternative fuels world wide, France for example is mainly ran by Nuclear energy, Brazil seems to be the pioneer on the use of ethanol and flexifuel. Netherlands is a pioneer on solar and wind energy. UK has made lots of investigations on energy produced by the waves in the ocean (cannot remember the technical word for it at the moment). Many European countries hope to be petroleum free in less than 20 years. Even in Bolivia, many agricultural and cattle ranches generate at least 50% of the energy they consumed mainly with solar panels. So everything is possible. Besides Norman is right, we should never underestimate the national leaders. I also think Lula actually threaten us with truthful material.
Now somebody mentioned something very interesting, why do we want Venezuela reaching our natural markets??? I don’t understand that of Morales, either. Supposedly, Venezuela’s gas can be drilled out easier and could be cheaper, wouldn’t that endanger our natural markets?
P.S: had to write in a rush again..... so excuse my grammatical mistakes.

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Boliviana 100% said...

Problem is not re-election, problem is abuses on re-election. It should be limited to two 5 year terms maximum. That said, a decade with the same leader is too long. Moreover, if re-election is possible we should have more policies for presidential impeachment and/or revocation. A prolonged tyranny has always been a great danger of re-election... Thatcher and Bush anyone?

5:05 PM