Thursday, September 21, 2006

More on Evo's Talk at the UN This Week

Here are a few translated excerpts from Bolivian President Evo Morale's speech to the UN on Tuesday:

On Private Property and Investment:

And when we talk about recovering our natural resources, with reference to the dirty campaign of accusations that the government of Evo Morales won't respect private property, I want to say to you, in my government private property is respected. It is true that we need investment. We need partners, not bosses nor owners of our natural resources. We understand perfectly that an underdeveloped country needs investment.

On Immigration

You know, especially in North America as well as in Europe, that many Bolivian people are going in search of work. Before it was the Europeans that invaded Latin America, especially Bolivia, and now it seems like the situation has changed. It is Latin Americans or Bolivians that are invading Europe like before to the United States. Why? Because in these circumstances and at this moment there aren't enough jobs being generated.

On the US Government's War on Coca

With the previously implemented policies the conditions spoke of 'zero coca'. 'Zero coca' is like saying 'zero quechuas, aymaras, mojenos, chiquitanos' [some of Bolivia's key indigenous groups] in my country.

I want to say with much respect to the government of the United States, we aren't going to change anything. We don't need threats. What is called certification or decertification of the struggle against drug trafficking is simply an instrument, a pretext to dominate the countries of the Andes, just as they have invented preventative wars to intervene in countries in the Middle East.

On ex-President Gonzalo Sanchez and Others Living in the US

…and it isn't possible that corrupt criminals escape to live in the United States, a developed country like the United States. I have the obligation as president to assure that these authorities be tried in the Bolivian justice system and I believe that no country, no head of state, should be able to protect, to hide these law breakers…

On the US War in Iraq

[We shouldn't] implement policies that permit economic humiliation or economic theft, and when they can't rob using rules then they use troops. I want to request, with much respect, it is important that the troops in Iraq be removed. If we want to respect human rights it is important to remove economic policies that permit the concentration of capital in the hands of a few.

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6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so weary of reading and listening to the rantings of a lunatic and his puppet master, Mr Chavez.

It is incredible that heads of State can talk and act so childish in public; I wish they would do it behind closed doors.

Whay is the Western Hemisphere coming to?

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Private Property and Investment:

Evo's never respected private property. Under his leadership fellow cocaler lost their plot if they didn't follow the union's line. Further crimes against property were committed under his roadblock regime during the past ten years.

On Immigration
Jobs are not being created because there is no respect for private property, no transparency in government institutions, no justice, no peace.

On the US Government's War on Coca
see comments on previous article. Ironic how he doesn't want threats.


On ex-President Gonzalo Sanchez and Others Living in the US
There is no justice in Bolivia, would Evo send a Bolivian citizenship to Guantanamo??

On the US War in Iraq
Another irony, he makes demands on US policy and he rejects the meddling of the US in Bolivian policy. The war is wrong, communism doesn't work.

9:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Zero coca' is like saying 'zero quechuas, aymaras, mojenos, chiquitanos' [some of Bolivia's key indigenous groups] in my country.
Huh???? Wait a second there, what do moXeños en chiquitanos have to do with coca???
Second, lie... PRIVATE PROPERTY SAFE??? has anybody else seen the list of the properties that are going to be reverted in the near future?
Preventing wars??? HAS ANYBODY ELSE HEARD LINERA'S speech yesterday!!!

11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to anonymous #4

as it happens, most of Bolivia's indigenous peoples chew coca. Whether this is something that you feel is an age-old tradition is irrelevant. People chew coca in Argentina too. If a group of people (anyone- even gringos living in Bolivia for an extended period of ime) chew coca and then are not allowed to, this is saying they can't be who they say they are. If it's part of your identity and doesn't hurt anyone else until it's processed into a mysterious white powder, it should be fine.

If Italy was no longer able to drink coffee, this would be a serious afront to their culture and identity in their eyes. don't you think? People have problems with cafeine pills.

12:25 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

Will somebody please link me to anyplace the US (not MAS, not Evo) said their policy in Bolivia was ever "zero coca". I can't seem to find it.

Yeah, I know some people who are having their titled land taken by the government too.

Just how many jobs do you generate whne you've consistently blockaded the countries infrastructure for years on end intentionally undermining every policy of the previous three governments?

Does anyone suppose the Goni would get a fair trial here, or would they be building the gallows as the trial began? (I know there's no death penalty here... yet. It was figurative.)

6:13 AM  
Anonymous Boliviana100% said...

to anonymous #4 from anon #5....
Most indigenous people chew coca and its part of their identity?? I think you are being a little bit extreme, and over generalizing. i don't know where you live, but although many do chew coca in the east, it can't be classified as most, and it is not part of their identity... I just felt that Evo misrepresented our indigenous population by implying that coca is part of all indigenous group's identity... That is one big lie.
ANd I have never said i am against coca leafs or that they should be erradicated... I am a big fan of coca mate when I travel to La Paz, Potosi and Oruro... But like it or not,deny most is used for drugs.

8:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but like it or not, you can't deny that most is used for drugs.

8:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a previous blog I asked: "The debate whether coca is a 'drug' or not is moot. The fact is that it is processed into a drug and most likely 70-80 percent of the coca leaf harvested is processed; that is where the profit is. {someone help the boy, anyone know the true estimate?)"

Does anyone have an "official" estimate?

Thanks.

10:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coke is irrelevant these days when compared to drugs like crystal meth. Who cares if a few lawyers, doctors are sniffing some yeyo. The drug that is scaring the shit out of everyone these days is ice i.e. Governments in Canada are spending millions on treatment and beds now b/c they identify this drug as catastrophic. It's cheap compared to coke and almost anyone can make it. So you have this losing war against drugs on the other side of the world when you have teens making a cheap, highly addictive drug in their basement and you have idiots in here arguing about coca leaves lol. You want to combat drugs you do it through education. The other way doesnt work as we all can see.

12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Coke is irrelevant these days when compared to drugs like crystal meth. Who cares if a few lawyers, doctors are sniffing some yeyo"

Are you Serious? Is this justification for your own cocaine use? So because Doctors and Lawyers can afford this drug its some how elevates it in status, distinguishing it from meth the "poor mans Coke"??
Maybe you should think about the process and factors surrounding cocaine production. Violence, War, bastardization of the Indian culture, enviornmental destruction, ect....... Not to mention the fact that thousands of lives have been ruined by way of this drug, effecting family and friends.

Karl Marx refers to the process by which a transformation occurs from Labor pruducing a commodity exhanged by way of money. It is by Labor that you purchase your product(and think of the factors surrounding cocaine production), money does not depict the actual value but is rather abstrat, a sign in place of a need. Like any Commodity, this labor-power is consumed by the purchaser, this person comes to "possess" it.

Also, our government has chosen to make the possession of crack a much worse offense than cocaine. A drug used by people in lower economical status, yet at the same time it contains the same substance. Lawyer, Politicians, using coke = Murder

Jonathan

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm saying the use of coke is not nearly on the same level as ice and yet they are putting in more time and effort into combating the coke trade. They want to outlaw the coca leaf so why not outlaw the stuff used in meth which is manufactured by corporations? Why stop at the natives of Bolivia why not go after the manufacturers who make the items that go in meth. Because it's not feasible so the best way is to educate and prevent before. Have drug treatment facilities, etc. Don't shift your blame to a country half across the world that is using coca leaf thousands of years before without problems. Look at what is going on in your own country that is driving people to use illegal drugs. Do Bolivians have a bad coke habit when they can basically go down the road and pick up a bag of leaves? Hell why stop there why not go bomb Holland b/c they are making shit loads of E or come spray the marijuana crops up in British Colombia.

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me Re-Quote you:

1)"Who cares if a few lawyers, doctors are sniffing some yeyo"

--Speaks for itself Bra.

2)"They want to outlaw the coca leaf so why not outlaw the stuff used in meth which is manufactured by corporations"

---Actually alot of steps are being taken. Sudafed is offering a new version of the cold and allergy medicine without an ingredient often used to produce the illegal and highly addictive drug methamphetamine, its called Sudafed pe. THere are many others, I dont have the time to look into it, but hey with your logic, why not outlaw ajax, gasoline, and vitamin e?

3) "Do Bolivians have a bad coke habit when they can basically go down the road and pick up a bag of leaves"

---So you are saying that the leaf is in fact cocaine? Are you aware that there a several diffirent kinds of Coca, some of which are un-fit for chewing and tea, but not for YEYO?

4) "Don't shift your blame to a country half across the world that is using coca leaf thousands of years before without problems"

---Educated people consume coca tea, and people understand this. Fact is, it is an international problem, and mass quantities of poision are being shipped to other countries.

5)"Hell why stop there why not go bomb Holland b/c they are making shit loads of E.

---- Alot of E may not be that harmful in a pure state, but fact is that alot of it is dilluted with chemicals and other drugs that are harmfull. Yes, they should be bombed.

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bush was sniffing it too fuck what do I care yeah thats true. Don't go sanction a whole country and adjust their way of life b/c your high class citizens love sipping cristal and doing coke of stripper's tits. Your problem you deal with it in your country. Secure your borders better but why would you when you're gov't making money off it as well ;)

If you get my sarcasm it would be pointless to go after say Sudafed just like everything else heh why don't we just outlaw eating and breathing while were at it. Bottom line is people need to take responsibility for their actions. It's not an international problem it's a societal problem. No one in Afghanistan is trying to be Tony Montana?

Your #5 I won't even comment on. Peace!

4:30 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

First, backing up several anon's (guys, at least sign off with a nickname or something), I'm afraid you'll have to go to the narcos for the "official estimates, but you can go to http://lapaz.usembassy.gov/english/CertificacionBoliviaeng2003.htm for some interesting numbers.

Anon #8, while your comment about coke being irrelevant is nonsense, you do bring up a valid point; that is that crystal meth is a growing problem which is harder to solve because its base ingredient is harder to control. Still, just because drug A is worse than drug B though, does not make drug B acceptable. That’s the kind of argument I remember the pot-heads using in college.

You do not defeat a drug use problem simply through demand reduction education; that’s another user’s argument. You combat the drug use problem on multiple fronts: through youth education, by reducing demand, providing voluntary rehabilitation for users, by arresting users and placing them in compulsory rehab, by arresting dealers and placing them in jail, by aggressively prosecuting drug-related crime, by preventing drugs crossing the border through uncompromising border surveillance, by providing incentives for other countries to eliminate production, (and by providing disincentives for those that don’t), by controlling, reducing, or eliminating precursor chemicals and key ingredients, by providing alternative sources of income to those involved in the drug trade, etc. It’s a complex problem. Not to be harsh, but it’s naïve to think that it can be solved with such a simple solution. By the way, the US is employing all the above steps and more.

5:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know there is no simple solution there actually really is no solution unless we go the extreme way and impose death sentences like some of the countries in Asia and the Middle East and even then there is some willing to take the risk. My whole point is all this time and money that U.S. does to eradicate the coca leaf at a losing cause and resentment towards their foreign policies could go to better use. U.S. will never eradicate coca so they need to do something else like putting more money into guarding their ports and borders. You know why drugs get over b/c law enforcement is underpaid (custom agents start at under 30K) so they are more susceptible to take bribes or slack off. Cops are taking jobs guarding celebs b/c they make triple the money.

6:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could be wrong, but I believe that Coca Zero is the policy of no coca in Chapare whose coca is useless for traditional use and almost exclusively used for drugs. Coca Zero does not cover or limit coca from the Yungas used for traditional uses.

The "traditional use" babbling is pretty much irrelevant as (to my understanding) the traditional use coca has never been at issue.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous k'ara said...

Norman, great advice. I will vote for you to be the next drug czar. Remember, just because the Drug War has failed by any metric, is no reason to not keep on keepin' on. And coming from someone who knows the horrors of war first hand, your words carry real weight. Oh, just one question. Why is fucking with the nations of the global south almost last on your list, but first on Uncle Sams?

People's minds aren't changed by blog entries or comments. But still, this is a heck of a
story And for once and for all people, the issue isn't about coca, its about installing a military presence in the global south. I just read it in Chomsky's book!! Thanks Hugo.

12:08 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

Thanks for the comments k'ara. You've got a unique style. You appear seriously interested in a thorough analysis of the situation. To answer your question, I'm a type 'A' person, thorough and overly organized sometimes (though you couldn't tell by looking at my desk). Anon started and ended with education. I started at that end of the cocaine pipeline and worked it back to the beginning. Without arguing the semantics of your question, messing with nations of the global south is not first on the US list; you just perceive it that way because it’s what affects you (or at least what you clearly see). Now ask the user in New Jersey caught with snow up his / her nose what they think is first on the US list. Ask the coke (or crack) dealer on the streets of Atlanta. Ask the young mule swallowing cocaine packets before boarding the plane to Miami. It won't be “messing with nations of the global south”. It's a matter of perception.

When you look at the pipeline, most of these folks aren't evil. Given reasonable alternatives, they will choose them. I agree with some of Mr. Morales comments; the economy needs serious attention. Bolivia needs jobs. The US has to help there too (and is, in fact doing so). I disagree with his methodology and his race-based plan for Bolivia.

7:30 AM  
Anonymous Puntual said...

fact: coca is not cocaine as tomatoe is not Ketchup.

fact: Cocaleros in Bolivia want to produce more coca because is more profitable than other activities (for the same amount of work)

Debatable: who is more responsible? cocaine producer or cocaine consumer?

Opinion: above's debate is more important to address than the one about "coca = cocaine". For me, the one more responsable is the one closer to have a CHOICE to do bad.

Opinion: cocalero chooses to grow coca to make money; having coca a product not harmful by itself but that it can be changed to do harm...is bad.

Opinion: Cocaine Consumer that chooses to use cocaine to harm himself and others...is more than bad, much more.

Opinion: For me, on the drug problem, there is more responsability at the consumer end.

Fact: Politician will use the coca=cocaine debate because you can spin into many possible ways. Bloggers too, as you can read it in this post ;-)

Opinion: Debating coca=cocaine for me is a waist of time! Regardless of what you think or how you spin it...anyone can make the equation look rational to the point that your position will never change regardless of what you hear...also because you will associate yourself to one of the 2 big groups: 1. the ones pro "=" or 2. the ones pro "<>" (not equal).

Proposed Solution: USA should negotiate Bolivia the following terms: USA takes away the coca ban on the world; Bolivia can grow as much coca as they want and also industrialized to any unharmful product. Bolivia in the other hand, will allow the US to put as much military and resource as they please ONLY to eliminate any COCAINE factory, distribution center, anything related to cocaine (or other drugs).

I think this way, and going in accordance to what both preach, they will have what they want...more military, money and control for DEA; more money for Bolivians, not only cocaleros...chapare would be so secured with a bunch of gringo military in there, that tourism would sky rocket!

wonder: what do you think each side would think about this proposal?

12:58 PM  
Blogger QuranBible said...

Can I get the full transcript of UN speech. I am searching of the text which is not available on UN website.

Please let me know. Thanks.

3:04 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

The president's speeches, including his speech at the UN, can be found at http://www.comunica.gov.bo/index.php?i=discursos.

As to the proposed solution folks, what do you think? Do you want to invite the US to send as many troops as they want as long as they promise to behave? Personally, I'm <> in favor.

6:20 PM  
Anonymous k'ara said...

argggh. yes, throwing US military at a problem always works. perhaps you are thinking of Colombia, or Afghanistan? I won't even mention the obvious. Norman, thanks, I think. I appreciate your humanity and thoughtfullness too, except it baffles me why ex-servicemen are so aware of the real deal, and yet have faith in the Usamerican project. What aren't you telling us?

6:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puntual said...

fact: coca is not cocaine as tomatoe is not Ketchup.



Actually the tomatoe is a good example, as tomatoe varieties used in ketchup have more "solids" which are great for thicker sauce, but dont taste very good in unprocessed form. From my understanding the same is true of the coca. No one has a problem with Yungas produced coca. It is produced using traditional methods in the dry high mountains where they have produce coca for centuries. Its the coca produced in the Chapare which is a hot, wet, damp area. Coca production is much newer there because the quality is not so good for chewing. When gown in the Chapare, it is tough and bitter because of the higher % cocaine alkaloid content.


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Puntual said...

fact: Cocaleros in Bolivia want to produce more coca because is more profitable than other activities (for the same amount of work)

Debatable: who is more responsible? cocaine producer or cocaine consumer?

Opinion: above's debate is more important to address than the one about "coca = cocaine". For me, the one more responsable is the one closer to have a CHOICE to do bad.

Opinion: cocalero chooses to grow coca to make money; having coca a product not harmful by itself but that it can be changed to do harm...is bad.




When you talk about a choice to do bad, I have to say that drug use is done primarily by high school and college kids(ref bottom). Though they may look like adults their minds are actively changing and many studies have shown that the areas of their brain which cover responsibilty are the last to work. Any adult who have been around young people know this. That why they are put in padded little worlds called college and high school. As they mature they realize that they shouldnt be using this stuff and most get off it. This process is very costly and so society tries to reduce the impact of drug use. The US and most countries will never legalize the production of cocaine because the focus of drug sales is with children not adults. Besides if the Cocaleros dont worry about the affects of their product, why should others worry about the affects of their drug enforcement policy? We are talking about the law of the jungle right?

US Percentage Reporting drug use.

12-18 18-25 26-34 35 +
1979 1.5% 9.9% 3.0% 0.2%
1988 1.2 4.8 2.8 0.4
1998 0.8 2.0 1.2 0.5
2001 0.4 1.9 1.1 0.5

Source: National Household Survey on Drug Abuse.
http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/nhsda.htm

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Puntual said...

Proposed Solution: USA should negotiate Bolivia the following terms: USA takes away the coca ban on the world; Bolivia can
grow as much coca as they want and also industrialized to any unharmful product. Bolivia in the other hand, will allow
the US to put as much military and resource as they please ONLY to eliminate any COCAINE factory, distribution center,
anything related to cocaine (or other drugs).


Legalization would be terrible for both the US and the Cocaleros in the Chapare. Coca production would become a commodity like any other crop. This would leave Bolivia in the same disadvantage that its always in. Horrible transportant costs will make the product everywhere else dominant. If bolivia really wants to be wealthy it needs to develop its river system in the lowlands to Brazil. Brazil has developed the main water ways up to the Bolivian border. The water is king for moving mass quantities cheaply (like food products). Forget about the corridor to the sea. It would not help, there is a big mountain range and no major river on the other side! Bolivia wants water transport as close to the major population and production centers as possible.

Marcello M.

6:46 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

k'ara, it was meant as a compliment. I don't respond to questions about myself here because it's Jim's blog and it's supposed to be about Bolivia. If you click on my name though you'll find I've got a pathetic blog up where I'd be more inclined to answer questions like that.

7:08 PM  
Anonymous k'ara said...

ah well, thanks. and... someday. back to puntual's points, I didn't mean to sound harsh as I agree fully about the part of legalizing coca. i would just go farther and legalize cocaine too. competition is an interesting idea to bring up, anon, can't say i had thought of that before.

i think the advocates of a non-narcotic coca industry assume that the world would be ready to buy up good products if only the US didn't interfere. but you are right, wouldn't Coca Cola stop buying the leaf from Peru, and if China really wants tea for their people, why not grow it in China?

12:36 AM  
Blogger BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

Do you guys really want to win the war against drugs, cocaine, let´s do the following.
In the USA change the legislation so cocaine users that are not under 16 be treated as breakers of the law, not as victims. It is stupidly funny but in the USA the legislation against drunk drivers is much harder that against drug addict drivers. Further more, if you are under the influence of cocaine and kill somebody, you cannot be charge with first degree murder, only with involuntary manslaughter. You will be sentence with first degree murder and possible to death, depending of the State, if you are high in caffeine or alcohol.
In Bolivia, allow “everybody” the soft credits given by the USAID to produce anything but coca in the chapare region. So fare, this is allowed only to the coca farmers that want to shift to other crops. At the same time, the USA should facilitate, “teach”, the proper technology for this products to be able to be sold internationally and ensure their commerce to the American market. Not a single plot of coca should be allowed to be farm in Chapare or any other region than the traditional Yungas by the Bolivian Government.
Internationally, all the countries in the USA list of drug decertification should also write, once a year, a report about how they see the approach of the USA government against the war on drugs. I am pretty sure that feedback could really serve.
Coca is not cocaine, unless it comes from El Chapare.

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Puntual said...

Norman: "Do you want to invite the US to send as many troops as they want as long as they promise to behave? "

I am not asking for the US to behave; I am asking them to get rid of all the cocaine production from Bolivia; but w/o forbidding any one, any where in Bolivia, to produce coca.

Marcello: "drug use is done primarily by high school and college kids(ref bottom). Though they may look like adults their minds are actively changing and many studies have shown that the areas of their brain which cover responsibilty are the last to work"

I don't buy it! I had been in high school in Bolivia, and "guay" if you even bring the drug up; you will be labeled as "drogo" and by association all your friends too.

I went to a 40000 student university in Texas; though I had rarely seen the smoking dope on American parties, it was very private and they respected when you choose to say NO!

Therefore, high schooler and college kids that do drugs regularly are minimal. Many more get exposed to drugs and say NO, than the ones that accept.

Moreover, check you statistics...compare US kids with kids on other countries and cultures; all these kids have brains that have to make responsability choices about drugs at the same age.

Would also be interesting to know what percentage of all the budget on the USA drug war goes to deal with the consumption and how much goes to the destruction of the drug production.

Bolivia Libre: "USA should facilitate, “teach”, the proper technology for this products to be able to be sold internationally and ensure their commerce to the American market. Not a single plot of coca should be allowed to be farm in Chapare or any other region than the traditional Yungas by the Bolivian Government."

To promote "alternate products" to coca has been tried (maybe there is still a running program); but the biggest problem is that the programs did not "Guarantee" the pineapple producers (per say) to buy their production.

Chapare, and Bolivia in general, has a bunch of logistics problems, from road ploblems, to produce on the right volumens required to export, to have the right quality to compete with other countries, etc, etc.

Thus more than teaching, if the US wants this "alternate products" program to work, they would have to buy the production and do with it as they please (maybe put some food processing factories than can the products).

Not to allow coca growing in chapare sounds ideal; but is pretty much impossible to have this in practice.

Take aside politicians speeches; this is all about economics. It is profitable to grow coca, and cocaleros don't care if some gringos are killing themselves with it....this is bad but it is the way things are today.

Thus, the solution is to allow them to grow coca in chapare. Economics will take care of coca; production would be so great that the price of it would fall cheaper than pineapples.

At the same time, Bolivia allows the US to operate freely in the country to eliminate Cocaine production.

Bolivia and US agree on this point...NO COCAINE. Thus, if there is cocaine production from Bolivia out to the world; would be a US militaristic failure....hard to believe, since the US is very much equipt and experience to deal with this task.

11:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puntual, about most been teenagers... In what year did you graduate? Nowadays, it is really common, you can see it everywhere. Can't believe you did not see any in UT... there were major potheads, including a bunch of Bolivians, I spent a year abroad in NJ at age 17 and that was crazy... I know its the armpit of america, but i was staying at Madison, quite a nice little rich town..
About Bolivia, I did not noticed the problem until I came back during summer from Uni... Once you've lived with people that are into drugs, you can actually tell who is on drugs... ecstassy, cocaine, shrooms and pot are big in bolivia, and not only among the kids you label as drogos, you would be surprised by who is on drugs... Its impossible to deny the problem, it is getting big, in the past we produced it and let others consume it, today bolivians are massive consumers as well....

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im very glad that sites like the Democracy centre page exist. Its important that some of the inspiring facts about the revolution under way in Bolivia are accessible to sympathisers around the world. So congratulations to all those involved in the putting the site together.

Unfortunately the comments section of the site seems to be hijacked by quite obnoxious sons and daughters of the Bolivian ruling elite fearful of losing their positions of privilege. The objections raised to the popular government of Morales are so ridiculous they dont warrant individual responses. But in any case these spoilt rich kids will simply have to get used to the fact that the majority of Bolivias people are finally emerging to participate as equals in political life. Hopefully Bolivia will never be the same again.

All the rabid, whinging emails in the world won´t change the fact that you people are a small minority. The poor, the campesinos, the indigenous peoples are the overwhelming majority.

Finally the attempt to justify banning coca by quoting Marx is both obscure and plain wrong. Marx indentified labour power as a special kind of commodity. he never argued that labour power itself was consumed by a purchaser of a commodity(!!) Instead labour power is purchased by an employer and consumed in the process of production. the 'value' of the labour power is transformed into the commodity. the employer sells the commodity at its value but pays the workers a wage less that the value of the commodities produced. the remainder amounts to the employers profit. what a rip-off!! but the attempt to correlate the exploitation inherent the labour process with the effects of a narcotic is sheer, ridiculous bunk. ironically your example speaks more in favour of Morales politics than against.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You lack the spiritual embodiment of Marx, which there is much to talk about. And who said it was in the context of banning coca???

5:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you were familar with anthropological literature, you would discover that Marx's Ideas of Commodity Fetishism are often discussed in terms of Spirit Possesion, but you seem to be in the political mode of pointing fingers and blame.

6:26 PM  
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What are you all smoking?

8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More like, What are you sniffing? Indeed my comment was backing up Indigineous rights in Bolivia and traditional coca use, but you seem to see things as black and white.


Jonathan

9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a simple recommendation. If Bolivia is serious about taking on the drug trade, then it must adequately assess the domestic demand for traditional uses of coca leaf, i.e. come up with a ballpark assessment of how many hectares of the Yungas should be under coca cultivation. (There is lots of science on coca leaf yield per hectare, etc., more than adequate for a solid number). Such a study has been planned for more than two years....can anyone say where it stands?

Then, the government could implement a system of permits to be issued to traditional growers in the Yungas that recognizes their traditional role in the economy. Everyone else -- particularly those growers in the Chapare who hold no traditional title to the coca trade -- are out of luck and their product is subject to confiscation and/or eradication. The government should declare itself the sole buyer and marketer (at fixed prices) of this legal coca production. I will then market it to retailers for chewing, teas, etc. extracting a percentage to cover program costs and tax the sale of the commodity for the benefit of school and road construction, health care, and so on.

Northern concerns about diversion of coca leaf for cocaine would be addressed. All legitimate claims to traditional production for traditional uses would be met. Bolivians at large would benefit. Everyone would be happy.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Evo is a product of the Chapare. This nationalization of the coca industry wouldn't include them. Ooops.

Never mind.

"Choquito"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typo in the above: the central government would be the sole buyer and marketer of legal coca production, not "I" as stated. I wish! I meant to write "It".

"Choquito"

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puntual said...

I don't buy it! I had been in high school in Bolivia, and "guay" if you even bring the drug up; you will be labeled as "drogo" and by association all your friends too.

I went to a 40000 student university in Texas; though I had rarely seen the smoking dope on American parties, it was very private and they respected when you choose to say NO!

Therefore, high schooler and college kids that do drugs regularly are minimal. Many more get exposed to drugs and say NO, than the ones that accept.

-

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/addpubs.htm
Here is a link to the rate of drug abuse arrests by age per 100,000 people.

The arrest rate peaks when 18 year old boys have an arrest rate of 4774 per 100,000.
The rate declines each year after that. (by 25 its below 2000 and the rate continues to decline steadily)

Marcello M.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Puntual said...

Would also be interesting to know what percentage of all the budget on the USA drug war goes to deal with the consumption and how much goes to the destruction of the drug production.


I found this link.
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/policy/ndcs04/2004ndcs.pdf
Summary
(In millions)
Total spending $12,648.6


International Narcotics and Law Enforcement $921.6
Department of Defense $852.7 (probably most is spent outside of US)

The rest goes to education, health, law enforcement.

Marcello M.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon said: "Unfortunately the comments section of the site seems to be hijacked by quite obnoxious sons and daughters of the Bolivian ruling elite fearful of losing their positions of privilege."

First of all, assuming this statement is correct, at least 'we' are here while (I assume) you are in your comfortable little home in the UK. That puts a bit more value on what 'we' have to say.

Over the years I have seen Western Socialists (particularly from Europe) come to Bolivia for a two week hiking visit and pretend that they know just how to fix all the social ills here. Their intelligence and superiority is amazing; I wish I had one percent. I have also see these same types come for an extended stay; maybe more than a year. Many come with the same attitude but leave realizing that they don't really understand the people, the culture, Etc.

When you come for a visit I will be glad to sit down and discuss the issues with you after you have had a chance to talk with people, campasinos, who have been lied to, displaced from their property, forced into service and decieved by Mr Morales personally (when he was syndicate leader--BTW, still is).

We are hoping that this counrty isn't going to crash and burn. It won't be Mr Morales who prevents that; rather it will be those that believe this country should be led by the people.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that people have fought and died for coca (and the policies were to have 'zero coca' as if that would stop the drug trade at all) does indicate that it is important to the people fighting for it. Whether it is for cultural reasons (in my Bolivian experience it absolutly is!) or because they are making money off of it, what is the big difference? The fact is that both are true probably, and something needs to change. Bolivians, like so many others, need jobs, the also need to be allowed to be who they are culturally etc. It would be a very sad day that the Bolivian people turned western and started wearing jeans instead of their beautiful clothing, and watching tv instead of engaging in their cultural practices. I say, go Evo!

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I second that. Go Evo! Please, just go.

8:46 AM  
Anonymous jch said...

Latin America is getting better at telling the US and their vested economic interests to fuck right off. This can only be a good thing. The history of US intervention in Latin America is utterly despicable from beginning to end.

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It's certainly true that cocaine has lost its popularity in much of the world, only to be replaced by methamphetamine aka crystal meth or "ice".

And the crystal meth epidemic is something that is far from exclusive to the US, as it's already a problem in Australia and (I understand) Japan too, and only just seeping into Europe.

The main reason for this is that meth is far cheaper and far easier to make than cocaine.

A few bags of coca leaves for traditional use does no harm to you, and is certainly not enough to produce a saleable amount of street-ready cocaine. Which can only be done in illegal factories. Ditto heroin from opium poppies.

On the other hand, you don't need so much cough medicine to make crystal meth- and it can be done anywhere, in anybody's house, in any part of the world. The fact that it's a cheaper drug means that once it hits the streets in developing countries (including Latin America), the effects of which could be horrendous- and this is where governments need to co-operate.

I for one equally criticise both capitalism and socialism, and the irony of this all is that there isn't a more capitalistic business than drug trafficking. Has this flown over the heads of both sides in this debate?

At the same time, there are numerous plants native to the US such as datura species which are in fact dangerously hallucinogenic when used- yet they're not exactly illegal, or could ever be eradicated from the American landsape! Never mind the fact that peyote is legal for certain ritual uses.

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