A Brief Note About Comments
As long time readers of this Blog know, I do not respond to comments. I really don’t have the time to do so. I glance through as many as I can to see if I spot anything thoughtful, which often I do. And I appreciate those who offer thoughtful commentary here, whether it agrees with what I have written or doesn’t.
There are also, obviously, a lot of comments posted here that are just people looking for somewhere to rant. Events in Bolivia provoke a passionate response in people these days, as they should.
However, some people are just out there looking for a target and because I write publicly without any effort to hide my identity some people like to project their anger on to me. I have been accused here of everything from personally inciting the violence at the Huanuni mines (Yes, miners read the Blog and said, “Hey, let’s go get some dynamite!”) to convincing cocaleros to support Evo Morales (yeah, I’m the one who did that.).
To those readers I say, if you get something out of making me your target of animosity, you are welcome to it. I think a lot of people get entertainment value out of those rants. But you might personally get more out of therapy.
Also, I work in a world of writing where people actually identify themselves and have enough courage of conviction to attach their names to what they write. This world of “anonymous” or silly fake names is not one I have much respect for. In anonymity people can actually be anyone and they have no personal accountability whatsoever for what they say. Sure, you might be a real Bolivian who was an eyewitness to events. Or you might be some guy sitting in his underwear at a computer screen in Miami with nothing better to do. Do you really expect people to take you seriously?
I have been an activist for 35 years and I still believe that if you believe in something you ought to have the courage to actually attach your name to it. And to those who would invoke the excuse – “Evo has bands of clandestine agents who troll the Internet looking for people posting Blog comments that disagree with him and they are going to get my Momma” – really, try to get just a little better grip on reality.
There are also, obviously, a lot of comments posted here that are just people looking for somewhere to rant. Events in Bolivia provoke a passionate response in people these days, as they should.
However, some people are just out there looking for a target and because I write publicly without any effort to hide my identity some people like to project their anger on to me. I have been accused here of everything from personally inciting the violence at the Huanuni mines (Yes, miners read the Blog and said, “Hey, let’s go get some dynamite!”) to convincing cocaleros to support Evo Morales (yeah, I’m the one who did that.).
To those readers I say, if you get something out of making me your target of animosity, you are welcome to it. I think a lot of people get entertainment value out of those rants. But you might personally get more out of therapy.
Also, I work in a world of writing where people actually identify themselves and have enough courage of conviction to attach their names to what they write. This world of “anonymous” or silly fake names is not one I have much respect for. In anonymity people can actually be anyone and they have no personal accountability whatsoever for what they say. Sure, you might be a real Bolivian who was an eyewitness to events. Or you might be some guy sitting in his underwear at a computer screen in Miami with nothing better to do. Do you really expect people to take you seriously?
I have been an activist for 35 years and I still believe that if you believe in something you ought to have the courage to actually attach your name to it. And to those who would invoke the excuse – “Evo has bands of clandestine agents who troll the Internet looking for people posting Blog comments that disagree with him and they are going to get my Momma” – really, try to get just a little better grip on reality.
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26 Comments:
Hi Jim:
I'm glad you weighed in on the comments. Some of the posts your blog has received recently have been discouragingly irrational, racist, and violent.
I appreciate your desire to respect free speech by leaving all posts up, but I for one wouldn't blame you for removing the most vitriolic, incoherent and unpleasant ones, especially those which harrass or implicitly threaten you and your colleagues.
Cheers, and thanks for all of the news and analysis these past few days, especially.
Patricia
Jim-- Violence Breeds Violence, and you clearley lack ethics.
Problem is, Jim, some 'extranjeros' with permanent residency here in Bolivia are reluctant to post with our names. You see, if we post anything other than praise for Mr Morales we can get the boot. I'm sure you noted the news last week (or so) that lists the half dozen reasons including "any political activity".
Just so you know I'm not sitting in my underwear in Miami: that's one big (new) pot hole on Avenida America just before Green Mart, eh?
does anyone know the exact number of journalists that were attacked in this mele? Last I heard it was at 11.
yea its a shame because when I started reading your blog a couple of years ago there were very interesting discussions... but censorship would be poison and I think just the fact that none of the spinoff blogs from this comments section have gotten anywhere is enough to show the value of coherent reporting.
and heck, i enjoy having an outlet for rants here, if I ever have an idea worth implementing and defending I will definitely put my name next to it (or keep it to myself and my closest circle) what blogger or haloscan really need are a comments rating system so that we can filter comments based on their relevance/insight/coherence and therefore not censor, but categorize.
eliminating or deleting comments would definitely be the wrong thing to do especially since this seems to be the only blog about Bolivian current political events in English which more importantly represents an independent viewpoint, whereas it pains me to read recycled state department or U.S. college "liberal" viewpoints on the other English blogs. language is the primeval mediated tool and it rocks that the Bolivian blogosphere has a monkeywrench in this arena.
On the way back my hands swelled as i tried to tie my shoes. One of the things that I noticed from the painting was that it contained a man playig a flute with red cardinals above, swee[ing down from a cycamore tree.
Then I must ask myself, yes this must be it. The time that I take from the pencil shaved filters only is a matter of seconds before it returns to its base here in the fort.
While some prefer the taste of red garlic, my hunch tells me this time it could be the other way around.
Jim, I arrived in Cochabamba recently, and value your blog immensely, as it provides me with the only source of good info I can understand totally (yet). That said, my purpose here is not journalism, so I concur with the fellow (Canadian, eh?) who noticed the pothole on Ave America. I hope you will continue to allow some of us to put in our 2 cents worth with anonimity
According to Los Tiempos (http://www.lostiempos.com/noticias/08-01-07/08_01_07_nac10.php):
"Los ciudadanos extranjeros pueden ser expulsados de Bolivia en caso de que defrauden al Tesoro General, ejerzan la dirigencia sindical o incurran en "cualquier forma" de política interna. El Decreto Supremo 24423, en su artículo 48, establece los motivos por los que un ciudadano de otro país puede ser expulsado del territorio boliviano, sin derecho a retornar."
If this is true, I don't think we're paranoid. Look what's happening in Venezuela...
Dear Jim,
I'd like to register 3 points:
(1)I love that you allow open comments, but I doubt that any of your serious readers would think less of you for deleting some of the more obscene/worthless posts. If thick skin is a virtue, you are a saint but I say go ahead and clean it up occasionally, if the mood ever strikes you.
(2)Yes, it is a shame that many of us feel the need to use fake names (such as Pascal's Revenge) but it is not silly or cowardly. It is a way of approximating accountability without foolishly risking harm to career or family. By always using the same (fake) name, readers can come to know whether I am a thoughtful commenter or an obtuse one; whether I tend to be courteous or dismissive, and so on. Thus, even behind the shield of a pseudonym, readers can judge of my credibility through time and skip my comments if they find me boring, rude, or just plain loony. This brand of anonymity does not give me a license for sloppy thinking or personal attack because anything that I write as Pascal's Revenge will need to be defended by Pascal's Revenge. So I protect the integrity of PR as much as I would my real name. I hope you'll consider affording us pseudonymous writers the respect you now claim to withhold. For I value accountability as much as you do (that is why I consistently use my pseudonym) but find myself in a place where even carefully reasoned comments of a civil nature might redound to my harm.
(3) I'd like to encourage all contributors to adopt a fake name for the reasons given above. Jim is right to criticize anonymous comments. Plus, names (whether genuine or no) enhance the blog. For instance, I have no idea as to the identities of El Grindio, or Bolivia Libre; nor do I really know Dan or Norman despite their using real names. But as a longtime reader of the blog, I know what to expect from each of them: Norman is insightful and on the right side of the issues, Dan is insightful and on the wrong side of the issues, BL is usually right but he might be crazy and is sometimes embarrassing, and El Grindio has a sharp mind but is pedantic and thinks that using latin phrases strengthens an argument. (I hope my fellow commenters will accept these gentle jabs with the same goodwill with which they are given.) The point is just this: anonymous = bad, pseudonym or real name=good.
If I am a pedant, charge it against my training in argumentative discourse and law. (To clear mental cobwebs, I do pro bono work for the poor and disabled who have lost causes and I am one for one in the Court of Appeals after fighting against a major city)
Do not charge it against my heart.
In the main, I concur with PR-with one strongly held exception.
As to my use of the phrase "res judicata", it is legal doctrine used greatly in the US court system to avoid having to reajudicate justiciable controversies. I was trying to provide context within the brief time I schedule for this activity. Having already previously made my case for my position as to why a repeat referendum is illegitimate, I did not want to repeat myself so I used the legal jargon which was in the forefront of my mind and by which my first case was tossed out of federal court after 1,000 billable legal hours were expended on behalf of my interests.
The exception is Norman. He had an undisclosed conflict of interest in that it is in his financial interest that Bolivia maintains as cheap of a labor pool as possible because he is in Bolivia to exploit them by increasing his profit by lowering his labor costs.
Thus, he uses the charged term "siege" to describe the direct actions and civil protests. Siege is a term that is defined as applying to "a military blockade" per Websters. But it was how Norman chose to taint this struggle for democratic principles of equality, justice and avoiding being marginalized or disenfranchised by having their votes invalidated by the prefect.
But then, since PR's judgment is suspect because:
1) of his glossing over bolivia libre's lack of ethics/false statements of fact ; and
2) PR is obviously a right-winger,
he probably now regards Norman as his hero. :-)
Be that as it may, I thank PR for his thoughtful if errant post and thank him in advance for more thoughtful posts.
EG
I thought of offering this suggestion several posts ago, but held back; now I think it is more to the point, specifically to Pascal's Revenge's point above:
One simple way to make pseudonyms less a part of the problem would be a moratorium on the words "agent" or "operative" to describe bloggers or other commenters. I've yet to be labeled with either of these tags, I think, and I'd like to believe it's because I don't seem the type to submit to "agency" or to "operating" on behalf of any of the political leaders discussed here. But it may also be because I don't use a pseudonym, and I'm pretty up front about my personal stake in things when I have one. That said, Jim is constantly accused of things a reasonable person would quickly dismiss as silly.
While I find it absurdly self-important, it occurs to me that some commenters might actually allow themselves to believe that there are state- or party-sponsored agent/operatives whose job it is to post propagandistic comments on blogs, in part because the use of anonymity and pseudonyms contributes to the same kind of mysterious and untrustworthy atmosphere in which actual such operatives presumably function. (But really, if your favorite political enemy - be it Fidel, Hugo, or Evo, Manfred, Tuto, or Bush - has been reduced to secretly planting poorly expressed comments in spaces like this, you should take time away from tapping out angry responses to go pop the cork on a bottle of champaigne, because comrade, your side has already won. I like to imagine Raul Castro reporting to his brother's hospital bed, "Oh, man, Fidel, you are going to LOVE this - I had one of my agents write an anonymous blog comment at the Democracy Center site, and while Bolivia Libre saw right through it, I am more than a little confident that it planted the seed of doubt in the mind of this other anonymous guy who we think may be the commenter fomerly known as BoliNica, believed by some to be an operative of the forces of reaction! Can you believe it! Fidel? Hermano, why are you weeping?")
And while I understand the concern of some regarding the rules restricting foreigners from meddling in Bolivian politics (I believe I was among the first couple of people to express concern over this law here recently), I also think
A) we are kidding ourselves to think comments here are going to result in anyone getting in real trouble (Norman, my friend, if I'm wrong I'm sorry, and you should pack your bags!), and
B) we should be brave and defiant enough to test that hypothesis.
(And by the way, Norman is not the only person who does. While some people seem hell-bent on ignoring this fact, Jim has been critical of Evo and others on the left multiple times here. People also like to point out his connections with people like Oscar Olivera, but ignore the fact that Olivera has been turned upon by this government to the point of having his people physically beaten by Evo's troops at the airport in Cochabamba during last year's LAB conflict. It's never all Left and Right. Like in most places, Bolivian politicians often save their most vicious attacks for those closest to them. And I myself, around the same time I criticized Evo's use the no-foreigners-in-Bolivian-politics law, also criticized his visas-for-Americans law - but I am in the process of exploring visa options for moving back to Bolivia later this year. I don't think Goni, the author of that law, would have kicked me out for comments I made here against him during his administration, and I highly doubt that Evo would name me persona non grata now. In fact, I've always thought Evo had an amateurish sense of how best take on the US as a head of state, a serious lack of creativity in protest tactics, and a funny haircut. And he knows where to find me!)
Again, while Pascal's Revenge's points are well-taken, I think the internet is by its very nature as a medium rather alienating and dehumanizing, even as we attempt to use it as a tool for connecting people and creating community. I believe anonymity and pseudonyms add to this. And the results are disheartening.
I recall hearing that when U.S. Sen. George Mitchell went to Northern Ireland to mediate peace there, the first thing he did was call together negotiators from both sides of the conflict and have a big social gathering at some neutral spot (U.S. consulate? I forget exactly). Before he had anyone talk about any of the issues at play in the bloody Troubles there, he made them come to a picnic together. He forced them to recognize at least the semblance of humanity in the individuals of the other side. He did what is often called bringing "human faces" to bear on systemic problems.
When I read this blog's comments, I often wish we could all gather for saltenas and cokes in Patino's gardens, share a pot of caldo de mani, then head to a penha and raise our pisco sours in a toast to something trivial. The next day, perhaps we could regroup to discuss Bolivian current events. I imagine we would hold our opinions no less dearly, but perhaps we would, when tempted to lash out in moments of vigorous disagreement, learn to hold our tongues.
PR, your evaluation of me is generous - you declined to mention that I'm ridiculously long-winded. No wonder blogs are so often cited as proof of the need for editors...
Dan,
Some funny stuff.
Thanks
El Grindio
Interesting side post, Jim. I personally have no problem with pseudonyms. There are plenty of reasons from personal to paranoid to keep your information private, and it is certainly not something new nor is it unique to Internet blogs. Anonymous postings only annoy me in that I have trouble following which anon said what. Now I do get a bit irritated when folks make assumptions about their chosen adversaries. The constant remarks about Jim getting wildly rich while he's down here as an NGO'er seem highly irrelevant and detract from the discussion. Other times I just get mildly confused, such as when Grindio places me a step above slave owners in the post above. (A US citizen that writes from outside of Bolivia has no right to do so and one that writes from within Bolivia is just here for the cheap labor.) I think I hit a nerve using the word “siege. Grindio, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be a duck. Gathering an armed force, surrounding a city, cutting off transit, water, food, and fuel until the city’s “king” yields to your will, well, in my book that is a siege.
Now for some common ground, I felt that your argument that once decided, it’s decided is valid, and that it is inappropriate for Manfred to be calling for another vote on autonomy, but I’d already said that much. I also hope Mr. Morales’ effort to enable recall referendums is successful. That would remove one more excuse for these “peaceful blockades” that invariably lead to dead Bolivians.
Norman,
First, I appreciate your relatively thoughtful posts.
As to common ground, I am spending resources to defend your right to be a gringo in Bolivia without all these posters trying to threaten you directly or indirectly by statements not limited to the "wolf-in-sheep's-clothing" one saying there should be no gringos in Bolivia. You may be a tough guy but what about the females working for NGOs A lot of footage has been shown on channel 7 that showed neo-fascist thugs beat cholitas.
I think I can help. As a Cochabambino/US citizen, I opine that I have unique standing to seek to set a precedent that can weigh in as to alternative approaches to seek redress in a non-confrontational forum, as I outlined in other posts. If it saves one person from harm or experiencing fear, then mission accomplished.
As to disclosure, what’s wrong with transparency? INOCULATE yourself by occasionally disclosing you are an interested party. Then, nobody can claim you hid an inherent agenda, on a conscious or subconscious level.
Below is the definition of siege according to Mirriam-Webster Dictionary. Your use of that charged term is inappropriate and taints your credibility. That you think something looks like an ugly little duck because it seems to walk like one or quack like one does not mean that it is not an ugly duckling that should be defined as a baby swan.
Since this disparate, rag-tag, coalition of disorganized, poor and generally marginalized or disenfranched folk is not a military service, they did not collectively conduct a siege. They were poorly led and monitored in an engagement of direct action and civil disobedience with inappropriate self-harming acts of retribution, because they are NOT a military. Thus, they lack training and organization.
Main Entry: siege
Pronunciation: 'sEj also 'sEzh
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sege, from Anglo-French, seat, blockade, from Old French *siegier to seat, settle, from Vulgar Latin *sedicare, from Latin sedEre to sit -- more at SIT
1 obsolete : a seat of distinction : THRONE
2 a : a MILITARY blockade of a city or fortified place to compel it to surrender b : a persistent or serious attack (as of illness)
- siege transitive verb
(emphasis added on military)
I concur with the balance of your post except I would substitute "root cause" where you used the term "excuse".
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