The Failure of Leaders
Manfred Reyes Villa and Evo Morales were both in Cochabamba yesterday, but didn't manage to find time to meet with one another. Too bad.
Reyes Villa snuck back into town to meet with his aides at the five star Hotel La Colonia and announced to the press that even though he was in town, he still isn't governor. He said he would leave those duties in the hands of the interim governor for at least a couple of more weeks while he focuses instead on holding Evo Morales responsible for the violent events of last week. "I can't just come back like nothing happened," he told Los Tiempos.
Meanwhile, Evo was across town for an "evaluation" of last week's events, at the regional headquarters of the cocaleros union. While here he also announced a modification of his call for a new national process to allow voters to recall elected officials – presidents, governors and mayors. Without entering into specifics Evo declared that there should be some form of "special treatment' for those elected with a majority of more than 50%. Coincidently, Evo won a year ago with 53% of the vote and Manfred with 47%.
There are many people who love to claim that everyone on the other side – the campesinos who came to the city to oppose Manfred and the city residents who took to the streets to defend him – was paid to be there. I walked the lines personally last week and talked to many people on both sides. They were there, on both sides of the line, because they believed in what being there meant.
That said, it is also reasonable to say, that those on the streets (and the families affected who weren't in the streets) were caught in a political power play that none of them asked for and which Manfred and Evo created. Manfred decided to shift his ambitions from governing Cochabamba to trying to get into the national game by saying he had the authority to convene a re-vote on autonomy. He had to know that would provoke a militant response in a region that had already voted soundly the other way, but he did so anyway. Evo, I think, could have pulled the plug on the occupation of the city center and blockades of the roads, if he had chosen to. That is not the same thing as calling for it (which it seems he did not) but it is still a hand in events.
The issues of political power at hand in Bolivia at this moment are important. I am not disputing that. But both Manfred and Evo bear responsibility for letting the conflicts involved become bloody battles in the streets that took a huge human toll. Neither seems to be taking the role of peacemaker right now either.
That seems funny to me. Because right now I think being a peacemaker is not only what Cochabambinos need their leaders to be, I bet it also makes for smart politics.
Reyes Villa snuck back into town to meet with his aides at the five star Hotel La Colonia and announced to the press that even though he was in town, he still isn't governor. He said he would leave those duties in the hands of the interim governor for at least a couple of more weeks while he focuses instead on holding Evo Morales responsible for the violent events of last week. "I can't just come back like nothing happened," he told Los Tiempos.
Meanwhile, Evo was across town for an "evaluation" of last week's events, at the regional headquarters of the cocaleros union. While here he also announced a modification of his call for a new national process to allow voters to recall elected officials – presidents, governors and mayors. Without entering into specifics Evo declared that there should be some form of "special treatment' for those elected with a majority of more than 50%. Coincidently, Evo won a year ago with 53% of the vote and Manfred with 47%.
There are many people who love to claim that everyone on the other side – the campesinos who came to the city to oppose Manfred and the city residents who took to the streets to defend him – was paid to be there. I walked the lines personally last week and talked to many people on both sides. They were there, on both sides of the line, because they believed in what being there meant.
That said, it is also reasonable to say, that those on the streets (and the families affected who weren't in the streets) were caught in a political power play that none of them asked for and which Manfred and Evo created. Manfred decided to shift his ambitions from governing Cochabamba to trying to get into the national game by saying he had the authority to convene a re-vote on autonomy. He had to know that would provoke a militant response in a region that had already voted soundly the other way, but he did so anyway. Evo, I think, could have pulled the plug on the occupation of the city center and blockades of the roads, if he had chosen to. That is not the same thing as calling for it (which it seems he did not) but it is still a hand in events.
The issues of political power at hand in Bolivia at this moment are important. I am not disputing that. But both Manfred and Evo bear responsibility for letting the conflicts involved become bloody battles in the streets that took a huge human toll. Neither seems to be taking the role of peacemaker right now either.
That seems funny to me. Because right now I think being a peacemaker is not only what Cochabambinos need their leaders to be, I bet it also makes for smart politics.
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Be careful Jim. MAS doesn't like it when foreign aliens are critical to their regime....remmember Samarinto
Who is "Samarinto"?
Evo declared that there should be some form of "special treatment' for those elected with a majority of more than 50%
What a Joke!!!!
Laughted so hard I almost made it on my pants (and I was already on the toilet). Good thing I had Grindio's comments handy; first time the ink on paper from this dude is useful.
Evo, I think, could have pulled the plug on the occupation of the city center and blockades of the roads, if he had chosen to. That is not the same thing as calling for it (which it seems he did not) but it is still a hand in events.
That he did not called for it Jim?
Bloggers be aware, most of the problem in Cochabamba was done by "cocaleros"; and Evo is STILL and OFFICIALLY leader of all "sindicatos cocaleros"
you decide...
Thank you GringoIndio!
Thank you, Jim and all posters. My daughter is in La Paz working as a medical volunteer and your observations, opinions and comments are providing this unbiased outside observor better insight into what is going on down there. Keep the posts coming.
Concerned Dad
Jim writes: "[Manfred Reyes Villa] had to know that would provoke a militant response in a region that had already voted soundly the other way, but he did so anyway."
This seems to me an odd way of thinking about moral responsibility. Very similar to assigning moral culpability to a leader who refuses to capitulate to terrorist demands. When the hostages are subsequently tortured or killed, we tend to say (at least when we are rational) that the terrorists are wholly responsible - not that the leader shares responsibility because he knew his action would provoke a violent response by the terrorists.
Concerned Dad,
My prayers will include your daughter's well being. You have my respect for parenting a daughter engaged in such a noble outreach to address the medical needs of La Paz. Her volunteering reflects as much as on your character and parenting skills as on her exemplary character.
Reque,
Glad my words were of help to you. I can understand why you do not use soft toilet paper that is designed as much for health concerns as for comfort.
You obviously did not have any toilet paper because you are so full of _ _ it that you constantly are on the toilet, thus you ran out of toilet paper again.
I suspect that is also where you have your brains, as evidenced by your lack of ability to write an argument instead of blurbs.
It is pathetic that you make an unsupported claim and follow it with a blurb. Capitalizing letters is not a substitute for a pattern of reasoning.
Typing "you decide" is how you prove your claim. Amazing. Maybe it would be funny to someone out there, if it were not proof of a failed education.
Fortunately, the world has solid citizens like Concerned Dad that raised thinkers who act on their values. I hope his daughter uses her medical volunteer work to bolster an application to medical school.
Evo declared that there should be some form of "special treatment' for those elected with a majority of more than 50%
And I'm sure that he will be willing to allow multiple recall attempts of a single official within a single year, and he and his supporters will be oblivious to the irony.
(NB: Pascal's Revenge is comparing voters who expect the results of voter referendums to be respected to terrorists... in the same paragraph in which he expresses concern at "an odd way of thinking about moral responsibility.")
Yes, peacemakers would be nice about now. I'm still trying to follow Jim's advice and keep my eye on the Catholic Church. But friends in the Church there tell me that they fear the institution has lost some of it's golden trust and moral authority because of the behavior of various church leaders who have become involved in recent political movements there. Any thoughts/observations from anyone?
Reque, you probably do not know that many of the poor you pretend to represent use something like reque used to whip his ass. Are you saying that does people are full off shit? By the way, trying to kiss ass is not going to help anybody support your undefendable points of view. But keep writing, it is the funny part of this blog.
I will like to add up that Garcia Lineras "interpreted" Evo, one more time, and said that people elected democratically will resign only if a larger percentage of voters that got him elected vote against him. That is, if 54% of the people vote Evo to go home, he will. Same with the rest. Off course all this have to pass with 2/3 of approval from congress and we know that with MAS, 2/3 is an imposibility. Personnaly, I think is a bad idea that will keep the executive in permanent political campain insted of working. I belive that if we screwed up, taff it up. Off course, MAS will need to stop moving their milisia around and start working for the country.
Dan, the catholic church, and I am a protestant, never lost its trust with the people; only with the MAS party. In reality, most of the MAS high ranking persons said openly that do not believe in God or the the go Cosmic, so they never wanted the Catholic Church to participate in nothing. A question of not wanting to share power is also in place here.
Dan, what does NB mean? I fear whatever it stands for does not bode well for me. :)
It is standard in the literature on moral responsibility to recognize the distinction (or least debate the distinction!) between, say, "killing" and "letting die" or acts of commission vs. acts of omission, or (relevant here) the distinction between intentional consequences and merely foreseen consequences of an act (or the failure to act.)
I bet you have read Feinberg at some time or other, Dan, whether you recognize the name or not. Probably Jim has too. He is a leading social philosopher who wrote seminal works on human rights. In an especially important paper (in the 70's I think?) he discusses what to do when basic human rights conflict with one another. For instance, a terrorist's human right not to be tortured might conflict with the rights of citizens of NYC not to be incinerated by a smuggled nuclear bomb. The question is, which right must fold in that situation?
That's a notoriously difficult question I do not want to address here! Perhaps it would have been rhetorically wise on my part to use a less inflammatory example than terrorists in my earlier comment - that way I would not have to make clear that I am not comparing CBBA voters to terrorists. Dan is correct in saying that terrorism has little to do with what is happening in CBBA (although some might argue that MAS tactics are just that).
I was merely attempting to show a flaw in Jim's moral reasoning. And I might be wrong! But I'd like to be shown that I am wrong. So I present the argument again, (without allusions to terrorism this time!) and with a friendly challenge to any blog-reader to help me see the error of my ways.
Jim (and presumably now Dan) is claiming that the following moral principle is true:
When a person performs an act with foreseen bad consequences, then that person is (at least partly) morally responsible for those bad consequences.
I want to challenge any reader of this blog to think hard about that principle. You will be able to think of scenarios in which it seems to fit. Think hard and you will also be able to think of scenarios in which it does not fit. Once you have tested your moral intuitions in this fashion, compare the situation in CBBA and ask yourself if it is more similar to the scenarios in which the principle fits or the scenarios in which the principle does not fit.
I think you'll find that it is a failed moral principle in this case.
Uppps, sorry reque, my initial remark was destined to grindio, honest mistake.
Today I will focus in Jim’s faulting to the true, ones again, when he said that the backers of the regime where not being paid. He said, “I walked the lines personally last week and talked to many people on both sides. They were there, on both sides of the line, because they believed in what being there meant”.
It is interesting how Jim implies, of course it is just his perception, that the S.S. (Social Sectors - thank you Paulovich), believed that Manfred was all that their “dirigentes” where saying he was. “Documented” reality showed a very different human being under the repression of the MAS regime; the most pathetic expression of this reality that I can remember is of that poor woman, from the MAS side, crying because his loved one had his head busted open by the defenders of the city and said to reporters that they did not wanted to be there but that there was a Bs.250.- a day fine if they did not assisted. You know Jim; that is from the people you said earn Bs.16.- a day.
I could add up the great quantity of money in food, blankets and shelter given to these people, food that was going to other poor people in Bolivia that suffered floods and lost everything; food that was diverted to feed the S.S. You know Jim; some people will work for food and shelter.
Nerveless, since I do not believe that the S.S. was there for the Civil Defense’s sardines and blankets, I won’t charge you that as payment to them. But I will challenge you to debate me if there is or not punishments to the poor people within the S.S. if they do not assist to the events organized by the MAS regime.
I don't know if any were paid for participating. What I do know is that sometimes, the people of a organized neighbourhood ("barrio") have to pay a fine if they don't show up for demonstrations. What I have heard (but not know) is that the farmers had to pay several bolivianos a day, if they didn't went downtown to protest...
I was going to say "camba alzado".
Yeap, here in Bolivia, lots of the population use "news paper" as toilet paper.
Ofcourse, this is something the "indio" part of grindio should know; but he is so focus on his own world, that DEBATING with the dude is POINTLESS.
To all concerned dads, I would suggest you watch the movie: "Missing (1982)"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084335/
u can fin it in netflix.com
you decide...
I find it ironic that Grindio, the self-perceived soul of the oppressed brown peoples, feels it necessary to mock the imperfections of the written English of those for whom English is not their native tongue.
¿A eso apostaron?...
Publicado en: El Deber, Los Tiempos, Correo del Sur e Internet
Premisa uno: las principales fuerzas del sitio a Cochabamba y su Prefectura fueron regantes y cocaleros.
Premisa dos: el principal dirigente de los regantes y protagónico instigador de movilización y de violencia, Omar Fernández, es senador del MAS. El líder y jefe indiscutible de los cocaleros es don Evo Morales Ayma, Presidente de la República. El comandante de policía que intentaba poner orden es fulminantemente cesado por la Ministra de Gobierno.
Conclusión: ¿Puede alguien, con dos dedos de frente o que no sea imbécil de solemnidad, dudar de la autoría gubernamental en el intento de golpe de Estado al prefecto cochabambino?
Porque es evidente que se trató de un intento de golpe de Estado y a nadie debe asombrar el hecho que no sea la primera vez que se ensaya ese tipo de aventuras desde el propio gobierno. Y la razón de un proyecto de resultado tan lamentable es elementalmente sencilla: independientemente del copamiento administrativo del poder público que ha venido realizando el gobierno, sabe que la base real de sustentación política no es ni lejanamente suficiente para eliminar su precariedad gubernamental.
Primero, porque las movilizaciones cívicas de fines del año pasado fueron una notificación espectacular de un hecho formidablemente llamativo: se notificaba al gobierno central que un conjunto de regiones se reservaba el derecho de rechazar las determinaciones supuestamente constitucionales que les iba a proponer. En otras palabras, el gobierno asumía que a la mayor parte de Bolivia -por lo menos en términos territoriales-, le importaba un comino lo que iba a aprobar la famosa Constituyente.
Segundo: aquel maravilloso instrumento llamado Asamblea Constituyente inventado por el colorinche cuartelario caribeño como instrumento de formalización jurídica del nuevo orden absolutista, no funcionó en Bolivia. La idiosincrasia boliviana es radicalmente diferente de la venezolana y el inventito no funcionó como lo imaginaban sus posibles beneficiarios. La Constituyente que Chávez le vendió a Evo, resultó trucha cuando llegó a Bolivia ¡Tenemos una Constituyente chuta! Y, para colmo, se está desinflando por donde menos pensaban: por los propios representantes del MAS que, finalmente, se cansaron de ser unos muñequitos groseramente manipulados desde el Palacio de Gobierno.
Tercero: Surge el desafío de Manfred Reyes Villa, ¡que no es otro que el desafío del voto! Y en este momento, y dadas todas las circunstancias, lo último que quiere el Presidente y lo último que quieren sus muchachos es pasar la prueba de una votación, y menos si se trata de la posibilidad de una afirmación autonómica. Peor, si el desafío es lanzado como una suerte de disputa política de la que era considerada emblemáticamente, como la plaza fuerte del MAS.
Era obvio que el gobierno iba a reaccionar y lo iba a hacer del modo que ha definido como su instrumento alternativo al voto: la calle. Lo que el gobierno no supuso -sus analistas no son ni de lejos los mejores, porque viven enamorados de sus versos originarios-, es que tanta amenaza de utilización de la calle y de sus “movimientos sociales”, tenía que generar el mismo tipo de respuestas. Mucho más, si desde el día en que se posesionó como presidente, Evo Morales no ha hecho otra cosa que aplicar lo que más sabía: su teoría de la confrontación permanente... ¿a eso apostaron ahora? La guerra no es juguete y el gobierno ya debe haber aprendido que es terriblemente jodido apostar a la confrontación, ¡cuando los otros también están dispuestos a ella!
(NB= nota bene, latin for "note well." I fear it bodes worse for me than for you, PR, as I may now be thrown into the fancy-boys-who-use-latin-in-place-of-substance category. Mea culpa. In my defense, while I accept that n.b. may not be something thrown around in a typical chat room, it is a pretty common shorthand, i.e. [can I say i.e.? id est, "which is to say"... and I confess I just googled that one; knew what it meant, but not what it stood for in latin] not only a doctor of jurisprudence would recognize n.b.)
Now, with advance apologies for my habitual wordiness:
I would agree with the statement that "When a person performs an act with foreseen bad consequences, then that person is (at least partly) morally responsible for those bad consequences" when that person is the instigator of his own action, and especially if the act is itself morally faulty.
I'd actually like to use the original terrorist example, because I think it illustrates what I'm saying: If I am a president conducting just and peaceful policy, and suddenly a terrorist kidnaps a bunch of my subjects and I refuse the terrorist's demands that I supply him with money to fund more terrorism, and he then follows through with his threat to kill the hostages, then no, I am not morally guilty of their murder. The terrorist is.
The terrorist is the ujust aggressor, and the decision not to give in to his demands is a moral one. (Although hopefully I'm not at ease with this situation; I'd like to think I, the hypothetical president, tried desperately to make something work that was both moral and effective.)
Compare this, then, to the situation of Manfred. He took the trust of an electorate who chose him to represent them, and deliberately defied their will as expressed in the same voting urns through which he was elected, and it seems completely reasonable to say he did this for reasons of political ambition which involved engratiating himself to voters who are not currently his constituents (from the media luna) at the (poorly) calculated risk of alienating his actual constituents.
I don't think guilt is a finite load to be divided up. But in analyzing a situation, I think we do get a clearer understanding of the big picture by considering the roles of all those who share in guilt.
The people who committed direct acts of physical aggression are guilty of the consequences. The killers cannot point the finger at Manfred or Evo or the whole of the opposing side in an attempt to exculpate themselves. We, however, can understand the roles of all of those other players as relevant to our understanding of where (else) to assign guilt.
And, more importantly than guilt, which looks backward, we can assign responsibility in the present and future.
While the guilt or moral responsibility of the killers is not to be taken from their shoulders and heaped upon Manfred's, that is not to say that he does not have his own burden to bear. He was hardly in the situation of the hypothetical just-and-peaceful president besieged by terrorists.
To stick with volatile and less-than-elegant examples, I'd compare Manfred more to those U.S. policymakers who pushed us into war in Iraq knowing that it would attract a swarm of terrorists to the country who weren't there before, but argued that this somehow made Iraq an appropriate front line for the War on Terror and (more quietly) that it was better than fighting the terrorists at home (flypaper theory). The terrorists in Iraq are not less guilty of terrorism because that was a stupid and immoral thing for the U.S. to do. But neither does their immorality relieve Bush and the U.S. of responsibility for creating that situation.
Shame on those who would maim and kill their brothers and sisters in the streets, or even commit dangerous arson. I'm not even comfortable with the particular nature of some of the less classically violent coercion tactics common to Bolivian protests (blockades being a chief example). But (nota bene!) Manfred bears significant responsibility for what is happening in Cochabamba.
Dan. I will point out something that “nota bene” in your analysis, you write, “He (Manfred) took the trust of an electorate who chose him to represent them, and deliberately defied their will as expressed in the same voting urns through which he was elected, and it seems completely reasonable to say he did this for reasons of political ambition which involved ingratiating himself to voters who are not currently his constituents (from the media luna) at the (poorly) calculated risk of alienating his actual constituents.”
Manfred won the right to be governor of Cochabamba with 47% of the electorate votes, 37% of the same voters that choose him choose in favor of autonomies; so you can only safely say the he did not represented 21% or 1/5 of his electorate. There is absolutely no reason for you, Jim or anybody to blame Manfred for not representing the MAS electorate.
You should also take in account that 37% of Cochabambinos voted in favor of autonomy when more than 90% of the money and propaganda was invested for the NO; including all the government installations, facilities and logistic. The reading of Manfred today in Cochabamba is right, more than 50% of the Cochabambino electorate will vote in favor of autonomy if proper informative campaign is performed, something that he will have the power to do trough the Governor office and the real true of the political taken by the MAS regime.
Do you really thing the Cochabambino electorate that trusted Manfred with his vote believed that he alienate them with his call for autonomy?; the fact that this people went out to the streets to defend his position instead of asking for his resignation like Pacenos did with Goni and Chiquisaquenos did with Vaca Diaz shows you that your analysis is definitively N.B.
Well said B-L. I was interested in Jim's choice of words when he said that Manfred should have known that this would elicit a “militant” response. It really does strike a contrast. I always like to do a little “apples to oranges” and compare Bolivian situations with actual or hypothetical similar situations in the states. California governor Schwarzenegger had several initiatives defeated in November 2005. How would Californian’s have responded if he had re-introduced one of them the following year? Obviously it would be an inappropriate action on his part and a colossal waste of state resources. Perhaps it would justify a recall election similar to the way that he replaced Gray Davis and, by extension, perhaps a recall election is in order for Manfred. Would it have justified a militant response though? If there were a militant response, would Mr. Schwarzenegger be liable for it? If the California grass roots movement set fire to the states capital building, who would be to blame? If they blockaded Sacramento, cut off its water supply, prevented food and fuel form entering the capital, if they threatened to stone anyone who tried to cross their picket, who would be responsible? If they then marched into the capital armed with slings, backpacks loaded with rocks, wielding machetes and clubs, would you blame the governor for their actions?
In Bolivia, you might argue that the campesinos had no alternative before Evo came to office, but what about now?!? It comes back to simple things my mom taught me; two wrongs don’t make a right. I cannot see blaming Manfred for the violence committed by this militant force. I cannot blame the citizens who defended their city. I do blame the organizers of this militant action. I do blame the participants. I just don’t believe that any of them will ever be held accountable. It comes down to a concept of personal responsibility, something I see lacking in this particular grass roots movement.
BL:
Your mommy called. She said its time for you to crawl into your jammies, with the open flap in the back, and put down the mouse.
NB. Your child psychologist, who volunteered her services, says to stop using mommy's blender to mix your "facts" with percentages and your new word "NB" into incoherent posts. . . or they'll put stronger dosages of your meds into your chocolate flavored milk.:-)
The above comment is the result of the incapacity of articulating a comprehensible point of view after all options of argument have being decisively put over the table. And a sad demonstration of the irrationality, and hate, of the auto named intellectuals partisans of the MAS political party.
Way to go B-L, touché!!!!!
Annonymous 12:07pm (aka BL):
"options of argument have being decisively put over the table" . . .
"demonstration of the irrationality, and hate, of the auto named intellectuals partisans"
Wow, BL, the above shows you live dangerously. Be careful in using more than one polysyllabic word at a time, you might fall and hurt yourself. :-)
As usual, your convoluted, awkward sentences are a great example of why the movement to simple English is growing within the discourse community. Try to stick to simple sentences: subject, verb and direct object. Take baby steps in English, until you learn to think and write at the same time. :-)
Above, posting as anonymous, you refused to identify a sound argument that merited a response other than my comedic effort. Posting as BL further up, your series of childish, incoherent ramblings are one more of your serial efforts to cyber-stalk Jim into acknowledging you (as BL) exist and can refuted as follows:
1) My claim ("point of view") is easily inferred by those with reading comprehension skills; its subtext stands unrefuted: BL's incoherent posts are those of a troubled child that enablers should stop enabling.
2) Debate is the greatest educational activity people never learn about and everything in debate is debatable.
3) Entertainer that I am, I try to impress my growing number of readers with entertaining, creative forms of argument so that this traditionally, heavily, white-male field is open to new voices that might contribute to our overarching topic: Building democracy in Bolivia.
My only problem is that since this activity is what I do while downloading something, I do not have time to respond to all the posters that direct remarks at me.
Ja, ja, ja, grindio, at that time I was already in the streets searching for a bite to eat; face it, there are a lot of Bolivians that do not have English as their first language and will not write in the ways you like or consider proper; and since you are just and arrogant piece of KK, you will find a lot of people not agreeing with you, specially since you really don’t have anything to offer but your self proclaimed preparation. Never less, I don’t mind adopting the anonymous poster as mine if you like, since I enjoyed the way the author used the word touché to blast you silly post away.
Finally, If you think you are so great, try debating me at my blog, http://bolivia-libre.blogspot.com; that why people don't have to read your garbage unrelated to the topics in here. Don’t let your improper use of Spanish scare you; since I don’t care about of spelling or grammar but the content of the wording; so, once again in this week, touché!!!!.
For the record:
I am an active member of an Internet list of Bolivians who debate-in Spanish-Bolivian issues and the content of articles on Bolivian current events, although we occasionally slip into English or cite evidence from French sources.
Our membership consists primarily of highly educated Bolivians who live in the US and Europe. The quality of our discussions and the scrutiny we apply to information before us is at a high standard compared to to what occurs on this forum.
I would not remain on this forum except for Jim's informative posts, the fact that it is in English and it is kind of fun to engage in Internet "gotcha". Especially, with an ignoramus like BL and his pathetic attempts to get visitors to his blog to "debate" him. (His last marketing effort caused me to laugh so hard that I almost fell backward in my chair and hit my head on my bookshelf.)
I'll close with what BL thinks is a winning argument in his little private world of BL argumentation and debate: "Touche!!!" :-)
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