Meanwhile, Back to Goni…
Yesterday the Bolivian Supreme Court formally declared former president Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada and two top aides, Carlos Sánchez Berzaín and Jorge Berinduague to be “en rebelde” in the government’s (pre-Evo) case against them for the deaths at the government’s hands in 2003. The ruling essentially means that the Court declares that the three know about the legal order for them to return to Bolivia and have ignored it.
On June 22nd, 2005, the Bolivian Foreign Ministry formally requested that the U.S. State Department serve notice to Sánchez de Lozada and the others that they needed to return to Bolivia to give testimony in the case (as have other former officials). For a year and a half the Bush Administration – despite its rhetoric about respect for international law – has failed to comply with that request. However, Goni and the others do clearly know about the case. Goni hired one of Bill Clinton’s former impeachment defense lawyers to represent him and his counsel has been making the rounds talking to a wide variety of actors n Washington.
In essence the Supreme Court decision here says: Okay, we know you know about the legal order to return to Bolivia so getting you legal notice is no longer an issue. The next move is a request t the US government for formal extradition (which I would imagine has about the same chance of acceptance as Jerry Falwell conducting gay marriage ceremonies anytime soon) and notice to Interpol.
The case against Sánchez de Lozada, Sánchez Berzaín and Berinduague is not going to go away anytime soon and Goni especially can expect it to follow him to most every public event he attends.
On June 22nd, 2005, the Bolivian Foreign Ministry formally requested that the U.S. State Department serve notice to Sánchez de Lozada and the others that they needed to return to Bolivia to give testimony in the case (as have other former officials). For a year and a half the Bush Administration – despite its rhetoric about respect for international law – has failed to comply with that request. However, Goni and the others do clearly know about the case. Goni hired one of Bill Clinton’s former impeachment defense lawyers to represent him and his counsel has been making the rounds talking to a wide variety of actors n Washington.
In essence the Supreme Court decision here says: Okay, we know you know about the legal order to return to Bolivia so getting you legal notice is no longer an issue. The next move is a request t the US government for formal extradition (which I would imagine has about the same chance of acceptance as Jerry Falwell conducting gay marriage ceremonies anytime soon) and notice to Interpol.
The case against Sánchez de Lozada, Sánchez Berzaín and Berinduague is not going to go away anytime soon and Goni especially can expect it to follow him to most every public event he attends.
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26 Comments:
Jim,
You need to learn to count! There were more than 5000 people in that plaza.
I do not understand why you choose to underestimate numbers so much. You did this when MRV had his rally last month.
Do the Math!
I'm sure that a confrontation with the USA will provide Evo a much-needed diversion from MAS's Cochabamba fiasco.
Bro,
Take a "chill pill" and "chill-out". :-)
Crowd estimation is not an exact science thus you should not get so excited as to start hurling exclamation points at Jim. :-)
Context: An articulate female film school grad from NYU was in Bolivia to do preliminary research for her documentary entitled Bolivia in Transition. If I recall correctly: that was the working title and it was to be about the effects of globalization on Bolivia's democratic development. I referred her to Jim and this website; she had contacted him. She posted "autonomia" symbols on her "myspace" website after partying in Santa Cruz. I responded to her subsequent email with a withdrawl from consideration as a producer on her project. I did that for the integrity of her work. It should reflect what she has to say. I respectfully disagree with the scope of her research and current new positions for they are at odds with the conclusions I hold based on my research.
With a difference in world views, instead of spinning my wheels to educate her, I prefer to re-direct my funding sources toward my first feature film and its much larger financial needs.
My Point: She was at the cabildo (that was marketed as a "festival" with bands and lots of beer) that the right wing media claimed had a million attendees. Although she is fervently pro-autonomia, she said the million figure is an exageration. She estimates it was less than 500,000.
Subpoint: In L.A. we had easily 40% more people than at that cabildo (hereafter referred to as the cabildo of "million-de-cerevezas-bebido" millon-beers-consumated). My claim is based on my side-by-side comparison of their aerial photos.
Conclusion: If a crowd estimate must be given: 1) give a disclaimer as to accuracy and 2) provide links to photographic proof, if the estimate is germane to the story.
Grindio,
In a space that can be defined, crowd estimation is not a problem. Refer to my note yesterday about the math.
If the square is 100 meters, 3 people per square meter equals 30,000 people. I think three people per square meter is conservative.
The truth is that numbers are important and every effort should be made to be accurate.
Please...the whole trial thing is so ridiculous. Goni will never face trial in Bolivia and your interpretation of international law is laughable. I know nothing about international law, but now (with Evo's unconstitutional naming of four magistrates) more than ever the prospects for a fair trial are 0.
If Goni should face trial so should Evo period. anything else would be a mockery of law.
can someone send a link to the NYU student video - why this fuckers come to bolivia anyway - we dont go to their land - we like our island -
PCC
Frsnk IBC,
Now this may be a leap, but I am guessing you don{t like Evo. Do I have that right?
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El Grindio,
BWHAAHAHAHAHA
YOU ARE VERY FUNNY, and so is Jim
pS. I read your email, so does the rest of the world unless you encrypt it. Be sure to call me though for the access signature though...
http://www.gnupg.org/
Jeff, I will explain to you why Jim reduced the numbers of the people in the plaza.
If Jim, like the newspaper publicated, said that there were 30.000 people; then those with a little of sense; no grindio, you are not included, will easely argue the people outside of Cochabamba were brought to intent the outsting of the Cochabambino Prefecto, which is exactly what happened.
Additionaly, something Jim failed to explaind to you all; the recalcitrant endo-troskist from MAS participating in this joke of a meeting had a serious disagreament with the more socialist MAS followers, which were representing the government at that moment in the plaza. This caused the almost inmediately all the guberbamental paid backers live the plaza, letting no more than 5.000 people (Jim's number) to stay and create their own prefectural gobernment, which is more "trucho" than grindio's bolivian passport.
Do not expect Jim to write anything without political convenience in this blog, remember, is his blog with his political agenda.
I have a new hero: that previously quoted young female education professional.
Never met her; don't need to. Cuz, "when the roll is called up yonder, I'll be there" (words from a spiritual hymn).
The above assumes she has a belief system similar to mine. Thus when the "roll is called up yonder", she'll be there. I base that assumption on my readings from her blog and the plentiful photos that authenticate and provide a foundation that evidences that she is who she says she is and that the facts she presented are what she said they are. Her testimony is credible. In the main, not because of photos, but because of the truth spoken from her heart:
Tuesday, January 16, 2007
The Invisible South
The marches continue. At 3:00 PM on Tuesday afternoon thousands of people filled the Cochabamba center plaza once again to call for Manfred Reyes Villa’s resignation. Although many of the people at the rally were campesinos (people from the countryside) and cocaleros (coca farmers) from the interior parts of the state, there was also a large presence from the actual city of Cochabamba. People marched into the plaza with banners proudly announcing the presence of “grassroots neigborhood organizations” (OTBs in Spanish) from district 9, or a transportation union from the southern part of the city. I was especially proud when I saw a large group of people marching by with a banner that said “Villa Pagador Present,” Villa Pagador being the community on the far outskirts of the city where I live.
Obviously, when people say that the marchers demanding Manfred’s resignation are simply “Evo-paid campesinos” who do not belong in the city anyway, they are not reading the banners in the plaza.
And what do all of these groups of people from the city of Cochabamba, marching for Manfred’s resignation, have in common? For the most part, they all live in the poor, southern zone of the city, the periphery areas that climb into the mountains, the parts of the city that have neither portable water nor a sewage system, the places where people have to save every peso they earn in order to survive. While the government continually funds projects to build beautiful parks in the city center, it continues to neglect the people in this southern zone, and their human right to basic services. My family will not have water tomorrow because the government does not provide them with this service, and the privately owner “water truck”, which profits off this government neglect by charging us to fill up a barrel with water each week, did not come today.
In my opinion, this is a matter of who is considered a citizen in the city of Cochabamba, and who is not. For the Cochabamba government, the people in the southern zone of the city are not important. According to a study done by the NGO I work for, CEDIB, of all the money the city receives for infrastructure, salaries, and large construction projects each year, NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT goes to the center and north parts of the city. NINETY-EIGHT PERCENT. But I guess that makes sense. Why would the government care that my neighbour Doña Dominga has to climb a mountain for 30 minutes, three or four times each day, because there are absolutely no roads to her house, when they can put money into a park in the center of the city so tourists can comment on how beautiful the city of Cochabamba is.
When people talk about the “campesinos” that are coming from the interior of the state to “make trouble” in the city, I get angry. First of all, I get angry because I think these people are often racist in the way in which they characterize the predominately indigenous campesinos. However, I also get angry because it is not only campesinos from the interior of the state at the marches in the plaza, there are also thousands of Cochabambino citizens from the actual city there as well. The big difference: these city “citizens” at the marches are all from the south part of Cochabamba, which apparently does not make them citizens at all. Point in case: A newspaper headline last week read, “Campesinos Contra Citidanos en Cochababma” (Campesinos against City Citizens in Cochabamba). The “city citizens” are the people from the north part of the city, who support Manfred. The campesinos are the indigenous people who came from the interior parts of the state to demand Manfred’s resignation. Obviously, the “citizens” from the south part of the city who also participate are invisible, once again.
When people tell me that one has to look at this ongoing conflict in Cochabamba “objectively,” in order to understand what is happening and come to a united solution, I disagree. While I do not condone the violence on either side of this social conflict, I will always support the poorer, exploited parts of the population: the campesinos from the interior parts of the state and the cochabambinos in the southern part of the city. Maybe an “objective” third party could think of a compromise to resolve this “Manfred” conflict, but really, the issue has never been a question of Manfred’s resignation. This disagreement is a manifestation of the class and race divide that has existed in Bolivia for hundreds of years.
Do I care that this social conflict has resulted in deaths and injuries? Of course I do, violence is never the answer. But, do I care that this social conflict has disrupted the daily life of the middle and upper-class citizens living in the northern part of the city? Only a little. And that is mostly because it always depresses me when hate is generated between and among human beings. However, before this conflict occurred the same problems still existed under the surface. And what I really want to ask is this: when daily life returns to normal, without social unrest, how often will the people in the northern part of the city think about the lack of water where I live, when they are taking their showers each day?
No one can deny that this social conflict is between the poor, indigenous parts of the Bolivian population, and the whiter, middle and upper-class segments of the population. “Impartiality” discounts the 500-year history of exploitation between these two groups, which preceded this event.
I do not claim to be looking at this situation objectively. I am an open supporter of the citizens in the southern part of the city and the indigenous people from the interior of the state that are demanding Manfred’s resignation. Yes, maybe this conflict is just about two parts of the population trying to gain power in the government, but I sure hope that the poor segment of the population gains that power. Maybe then we will see an end the neoliberal politics which, for the past twenty years, have succeeded in deepening the already large divide between rich and poor in this country. Maybe then we can start talking about what “another Bolivia” will look like.
This conflict is not between the Evo Morales-supporting coca farmers and the “citizens” of Cochabamba. This conflict is between the upper and middle-classes of Cochababma and Santa Cruz, fighting for power against the indigenous campesinos of Cochababma, the poor citizens of El Alto in La Paz, the exploited miners in Potosí, the indigenous groups in the eastern part of the country, and my neighbors and friends in the community of Villa Pagador, in the southern part of Cochabamba where I live.
Whose side are you on?
Is there a prize for the longest post? I hope you don't mind, but I skipped down to the end of that last post. The "poor segment" of the population has gained power. What they are striving for now is to silence any and all opposition. For example, the following headline is from today's (Jan 18) El Deber: "Evo pone límite al referéndum revocatorio. Propuesta. Quiere ‘trato especial’ para quienes ganaron con más del 50% de votos" (rather than paste the entire article, I'll let you find it yourself). I just about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Why did I think it would be any different?!?! Evo proposes a method to unseat opponents but claims immunity for himself. Too funny!
Is there a prize for the longest post? I hope you don't mind, but I skipped down to the end of that last post. The "poor segment" of the population has gained power. What they are striving for now is to silence any and all opposition. For example, the following headline is from today's (Jan 18) El Deber: "Evo pone límite al referéndum revocatorio. Propuesta. Quiere ‘trato especial’ para quienes ganaron con más del 50% de votos" (rather than paste the entire article, I'll let you find it yourself). I just about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Why did I think it would be any different?!?! Evo proposes a method to unseat opponents but claims immunity for himself. Too funny!
Is there a prize for the longest post? I hope you don't mind, but I skipped down to the end of that last post. The "poor segment" of the population has gained power. What they are striving for now is to silence any and all opposition. For example, the following headline is from today's (Jan 18) El Deber: "Evo pone límite al referéndum revocatorio. Propuesta. Quiere ‘trato especial’ para quienes ganaron con más del 50% de votos" (rather than paste the entire article, I'll let you find it yourself). I just about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Why did I think it would be any different?!?! Evo proposes a method to unseat opponents but claims immunity for himself. Too funny!
Oops. Maybe there's a prize for the number of times a comment is repeated. Sorry about that.
Norman -
"El Grindio" is the classic "Latin American Idiot" who believes that the rich become rich only at the expense of the poor, and that the poor can only alleviate their poverty by sticking it to the rich.
Grindio, excellent, you finally decided to start posting things from people more capable than you that actually make some sense and now there is a possibility of some debating after your participations, keep it up.
The woman that you copied in your post is the same American girl that whished to have a darker skin just some posts ago and it is a great example to bring here about the indoctrination of racism, prejudice and hatred that the MAS regime and its affiliated NGOs do to the Bolivia’s poor citizens and peasants, indigenous or not.
The author of the article wrote, “No one can deny that this social conflict is between the poor, indigenous parts of the Bolivian population, and the whiter, middle and upper-class segments of the population.” It seams the she only moves from Villa Pagador to the beautiful parks in the centre of the city, closing her eyes to see all the dark skinned middle and upper class Bolivian citizens of Cochabamba with their business in la cancha on other areas; most of them private entrepreneurs.
Since the girl just arrived to Cochabamba, she doesn’t know that many of these people immigrated to Cochabamba a couple of decades ago escaping from the tyranny of their community leaders and their human less communitarian justice. On those times Villa Pagador did not existed but we had our Cerro Verde and other settlements. These people progressed and become part of the Cochabambino Community because there was no MAS and there were no NGO’s laying to them about the “not so dark people” exploited them for 500 years. Off course, some made more progress than others, but very few of them are today, hard core Masist; as a matter of fact, a couple of my “compadres” told me yesterday that they are “deeply” repented from voting for Evo.
I will ask the author of the article to start inquiring why the people are living in Villa Pagador? What is the reason they moved there? She will be surprised to find that most of them where escaping from a system that oppressed them, the same type of system that the MAS regime is trying to impose in the whole country with the help of many NGO’s that make “race” the issue.
Do she and the grindios that pollute this blog really think the Bolivian “no so darks” or the anti Evos if you prefer, really believe that the peasants, cocaleros, miners and the rest of the people that go to the Regimes marches and blockages are some kind of racist, blood thirsty individuals that live to blockage and to assassinate per see? Come on, open your eyes, we know that the majority of them is manipulate and obligate to assist to these events because it is a Community or a syndicate decision; it actually is only their leaders decision. Several punishments are inflicted over these poor people, but the heroine of Villa Pagador is not about to mention them. Maybe she is so naïve that she just doesn’t know communitarian and syndicate obligation and punishment exist.
I will also ask her to explain to us, what are the leaders of her community doing in order to obtain their basic infrastructure. I can assure they are not working over it as hard as they were working to help the regimes intent coup the etat over Manfred. It is so ironic that in this blog, among all others, something like “While the government continually funds projects to build beautiful parks in the city center, it continues to neglect the people in this southern zone, and their human right to basic services. My family will not have water tomorrow because the government does not provide them with this service, and the privately owner “water truck”, which profits off this government neglect by charging us to fill up a barrel with water each week, did not come today.” Since Jim and his Center are probably the main reason that these people do not have water. This girl is so ignorant of how things work in Cochabamba, and so blinded by indoctrination that she doesn’t realize that Manfred end the “Prefecture” have nothing to do with the decision of water connection in Villa Pagador. Not even the city major has really the power, since SEMAPA, who control’s the public water system in the city, is under the control of, who else, the “social movements”. The ones Jim’s does recognize and endorse, in other word, in control by the people she wants to be in control.
I will say to grindio and to the American girl in Villa Pagador, don’t be envious, work for the beautiful parks to be constructed in your Villa, but not at the expenses of other citizen’s liberties.
Bolivia Libre,
You're wasting your time. Latin American idiots, grindios and NGO activists who have smoked way to much weed in their day have already made up their mind. No amount of facts, logic or reasoning will convince them that:
1) The US is to blame for everything
2) Free markets and specially free trade makes the poor poorer
3) Evo, MAS, anti-globalization and anti-"sistema" social movements are justified in using ANY MEANS, violence, intimidation, and can violate human rights at will, becuase "they know better"
4) Any harm caused be a nationalization, expulsion of transnational is merely the result of a conspiracy by a transnational-CIA-zionist cabal to spite the valient and dignified citizens.
5) The only acceptable democracy is a Cuba/North Korea/Iran/Venezuela styled democracy.
These people, including the wanna be hippie girl, are simply ignorant. They might know how to read, look stuff up in wikipedia, write a blog, but the fact remains that they know nothing about how the real world works.
If they only open their eyes they will see the truth. Bolivians only have themselves to blame for their situation. No need to bring in Uncle Sam, Bechtel, Enron into the mix.
Jim et al are doing a tremendous disservice to the poor with their actions. No leadership here. No talk about personal responsability. No talk about creating industries. No, instread, day by day they convince them that violence, road blocks, burning of public institutions, lynchings (justicia communitaria) blowing up roads and bridges are honorable actions.
They convince poor rural bolivians that they have done nothing wrong. You dropped out of school? not your fault, Reagan did it. You're an alcoholic? Blame it on Coke. You're leader communitario pissed away the year's wealth in a preste or mesa? hey the gringoes made him do it. You have 16 kids? no problem, blame the church. No water? no problem is not that nobody pays taxes, but Bechtel's greed, water is free.
Now they'll go after Paredes. THERE WILL BE DEAD. THE PEAJE WILL BE DESTROYED YET AGAIN. BUILDINGS and CARS will burn. The poor, sick and weak won't be able to go into the city. But Jim will blame other side.
There will be dead in El Alto, but rather than call for peace, Jim and company are seeking ways to feed the mob...an nothing is better than the blood of a "martyr".
You see, they want blood, they want violence, they want power. They could care less about the fact that their actions will not bring water to Cochabamba, gas to El Alto, or simply more transparency to democracy.
They are just like any other bastard group that has ruled Bolivia in the past.
And it looks like the Masistas are going to try a repeat performance in El Alto during the next few days, trying to bring down Paredes.
Article in Los Tiempos
I do not know what BL wrote above and I do not care. Life is too short to read anything by him. But, let’s see how "Anonymous 11:16am" did with his internet crystal ball:
“You're wasting your time. Latin American idiots, grindios and NGO activists who have smoked way to much weed in their day have already made up their mind.”
EG: I was a world class athlete and did not engage in smoking anything. As to decision making, I use standard paradigms from value debate and policy debate depending if my decision is regarding a proposition of fact, value or policy.
“No amount of facts, logic or reasoning will convince them that:”
EG: My first response is that you should get an education; learning to write would be a good start for you since your statement is incoherent on its face. As to myself and “facts, logic or reasoning’: my argumentation training taught me a process of drawing inferences. As I gather information on a topic, I check to see if fits together and if it supports or fails to support my ideas about the topic. I then try to form a viable argument wherein the evidence that grounds the claim is valid. This is key: the relationship between the claim and its grounds is established by reasoning. In my reasoning process, I focus on the logic of the inference I’ve drawn that the evidence (facts) provides a sufficient warrant to ground (or support) the claim.
As to your blurbs:
“1) The US is to blame for everything.”
EG: Huh? Everything what? The sun, the weather? On its face, that statement must be rejected regardless of what you meant to say because I generally reject all absolutes.
“2) Free markets and specially free trade makes the poor poorer.”
E.G.: Disagree because I don’t know that there is a causal relationship there that is true in all cases.
‘3) Evo, MAS, anti-globalization and anti-"sistema" social movements are justified in using ANY MEANS, violence, intimidation, and can violate human rights at will, becuase "they know better" ‘
E.G.: Disagree.
“4) Any harm caused be a nationalization, expulsion of transnational is merely the result of a conspiracy by a transnational-CIA-zionist cabal to spite the valient and dignified citizens.”
E.G.: Disagree and I am starting to see a pattern of idiotic statements coming from an obvious idiot.
“5) The only acceptable democracy is a Cuba/North Korea/Iran/Venezuela styled democracy.”
E.G.: Disagree, I think Cuba lacks sufficient freedom, North Korea is scary, I lack information on Iran to opine on its “democracy” and Venezuela is too corrupt. I like Norway as a model for Bolivia. It leads the world in quality of life.
“These people, including the wanna be hippie girl, are simply ignorant.”
E.G.: I think the reader can draw an inference as to who is ignorant, you’ve given them a lot to work with.
“They might know how to read, look stuff up in wikipedia, write a blog, but the fact remains that they know nothing about how the real world works.”
E.G.: Having formed various corporations that provided jobs for many and having donated tens of thousands to charity (something I shall show to Jim), I would say let’s compare merits in terms of capital generated, jobs for others created, philanthropy, athletic accomplishments and artistic expression except that I hope I never meet a person like you, based on what you have written.
Dude, you are a train wreck.
“If they only open their eyes they will see the truth. Bolivians only have themselves to blame for their situation. No need to bring in Uncle Sam, Bechtel, Enron into the mix.”
E.G.: Disagree, strongly.
“Jim et al are doing a tremendous disservice to the poor with their actions. No leadership here. No talk about personal responsability.”
E.G.: When will you take personal responsibility for forming a cogent thought that communicates a sense of how to build a democracy in Bolivia, the topic of this blog.
“No talk about creating industries.”
E.G.: None by you.
“No, instread, day by day they convince them that violence, road blocks, burning of public institutions, lynchings (justicia communitaria) blowing up roads and bridges are honorable actions.”
E.G.: Please provide us with examples of how Jim convinced “them that . . . blowing up roads and bridges are honorable actions”.
I think you committed defamation of character.
“They convince poor rural bolivians that they have done nothing wrong. You dropped out of school?”
E.G.: I am forming an opinion that you must have dropped out of school. Well this is as far as I can subject myself to reading these statements. What was I thinking? Next time, I will just not read posts by anybody posting as anonymous. I just hope this guy takes his meds and doesn’t hurt anybody or hurt himself. . . again.
In my opinion, the three posters above use Jim's blog as psycho-therapy.
I do not know what BL wrote above and I do not care. Life is too short to read anything by him. But, let’s see how "Anonymous 11:16am" did with his internet crystal ball:
“You're wasting your time. Latin American idiots, grindios and NGO activists who have smoked way to much weed in their day have already made up their mind.”
EG: I was a world class athlete and did not engage in smoking anything. As to decision making, I use standard paradigms from value debate and policy debate depending if my decision is regarding a proposition of fact, value or policy.
“No amount of facts, logic or reasoning will convince them that:”
EG: My first response is that you should get an education; learning to write would be a good start for you since your statement is incoherent on its face. As to myself and “facts, logic or reasoning’: my argumentation training taught me a process of drawing inferences. As I gather information on a topic, I check to see if fits together and if it supports or fails to support my ideas about the topic. I then try to form a viable argument wherein the evidence that grounds the claim is valid. This is key: the relationship between the claim and its grounds is established by reasoning. In my reasoning process, I focus on the logic of the inference I’ve drawn that the evidence (facts) provides a sufficient warrant to ground (or support) the claim.
As to your blurbs:
“1) The US is to blame for everything.”
EG: Huh? Everything what? The sun, the weather? On its face, that statement must be rejected regardless of what you meant to say because I generally reject all absolutes.
“2) Free markets and specially free trade makes the poor poorer.”
E.G.: Disagree because I don’t know that there is a causal relationship there that is true in all cases.
‘3) Evo, MAS, anti-globalization and anti-"sistema" social movements are justified in using ANY MEANS, violence, intimidation, and can violate human rights at will, becuase "they know better" ‘
E.G.: Disagree.
“4) Any harm caused be a nationalization, expulsion of transnational is merely the result of a conspiracy by a transnational-CIA-zionist cabal to spite the valient and dignified citizens.”
E.G.: Disagree and I am starting to see a pattern of idiotic statements coming from an obvious idiot.
“5) The only acceptable democracy is a Cuba/North Korea/Iran/Venezuela styled democracy.”
E.G.: Disagree, I think Cuba lacks sufficient freedom, North Korea is scary, I lack information on Iran to opine on its “democracy” and Venezuela is too corrupt. I like Norway as a model for Bolivia. It leads the world in quality of life.
“These people, including the wanna be hippie girl, are simply ignorant.”
E.G.: I think the reader can draw an inference as to who is ignorant, you’ve given them a lot to work with.
“They might know how to read, look stuff up in wikipedia, write a blog, but the fact remains that they know nothing about how the real world works.”
E.G.: Having formed various corporations that provided jobs for many and having donated tens of thousands to charity (something I shall show to Jim), I would say let’s compare merits in terms of capital generated, jobs for others created, philanthropy, athletic accomplishments and artistic expression except that I hope I never meet a person like you, based on what you have written.
Dude, you are a train wreck.
“If they only open their eyes they will see the truth. Bolivians only have themselves to blame for their situation. No need to bring in Uncle Sam, Bechtel, Enron into the mix.”
E.G.: Disagree, strongly.
“Jim et al are doing a tremendous disservice to the poor with their actions. No leadership here. No talk about personal responsability.”
E.G.: When will you take personal responsibility for forming a cogent thought that communicates a sense of how to build a democracy in Bolivia, the topic of this blog.
“No talk about creating industries.”
E.G.: None by you.
“No, instread, day by day they convince them that violence, road blocks, burning of public institutions, lynchings (justicia communitaria) blowing up roads and bridges are honorable actions.”
E.G.: Please provide us with examples of how Jim convinced “them that . . . blowing up roads and bridges are honorable actions”.
I think you committed defamation of character.
“They convince poor rural bolivians that they have done nothing wrong. You dropped out of school?”
E.G.: I am forming an opinion that you must have dropped out of school. Well this is as far as I can subject myself to reading these statements. What was I thinking? Next time, I will just not read posts by anybody posting as anonymous. I just hope this guy takes his meds and doesn’t hurt anybody or hurt himself. . . again.
In my opinion, the three posters above use Jim's blog as psycho-therapy.
Norman said: ""Evo pone límite al referéndum revocatorio. Propuesta. Quiere ‘trato especial’ para quienes ganaron con más del 50% de votos" (rather than paste the entire article, I'll let you find it yourself). I just about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that. Why did I think it would be any different?!?! Evo proposes a method to unseat opponents but claims immunity for himself. Too funny!"
A spiritual irony, I fell out of my chair laughing also! Too weird.
If the national community doesn't see thogh this, the international community certainly will (like they matter...). This is definitely Evo's style.
There hasn't been a more laughable moment since Chavez' UN speech.
Does anybody noticed that no one cares about goni any more?
I guess his name to use political benefit has deminish
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