Monday, February 26, 2007

Evo Asks a Good Question on Climate Change

You could call it Bolivia's Katrina (though with a far more active national government than the one that so terribly botched relief to New Orleans). Whole sections of the country are under water. Thousands are displaced. A huge effort is required to save lives and an even bigger one will be needed to address the economic damage left in the floods wake.

In the midst of the Bolivian relief effort, Bolivia's President, Evo Morales, asked a reasonable set of questions this weekend. What role does global climate change have in Bolivia's massive weather disaster? Who caused this problem? Who bears its brunt? And what will the world do to address it, in all of its consequences both environmental and economic?

I will leave it to climate experts to debate whether the current Bolivian catastrophe is a genuine product of global climate change or just a run-of-the-mill El Nino disaster that would have happened anyway. If Bolivia can't hang the massive floods in its tropics and eastern lowlands on climate change, it can certainly point to other impacts, including the prediction by climatologists that the country's ancient glaciers, remnants of the ice age, may be melted off within 30 to 40 years.

It is not the world's impoverished countries that have fanned the forces of climate change with an addiction to energy use far beyond their fair share. The US, with 5% of the world's population, produces 25% of the planet's climate-changing carbon dioxide emissions. The "blame rate" for other wealthier nations is pretty similar. The catastrophic results of climate change, however, do not allot themselves according to energy overuse. Not only do poorer nations get hit, when they do get hit they are in a far weaker position to respond. Wealthy nations have rescue helicopters. Poor nations have rickety and slow wooden boats.

Much has been written in recent years about the financial debts owed by the global south to the global north, but little is written (for now) about the vast environmental debt the energy-eating countries of the global north owe the climate change victims of the global south. Who will pay Bolivia for its glaciers?

Evo has asked a good question. When will the world address the fact that it is poor nations (and I would add, as demonstrated by Katrina, poor people in wealthy nations) that are bearing so much of the brunt of this disaster? Morales has called for a special session of the United Nations to engage a full global debate on what is to be done. The US long ago signaled that it would not take the lead on addressing global climate change. In the family of nations that populates the world in 2007, it may be that it will be poorer nations, like Bolivia, that help force both a debate and action.

55 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Jim,
Any idea how Evo's government feels about the Kyoto protocol and what they are doing to encourage the extractive industries that are benefitting the country to leapfrog into more green production?
I think a key issue in the disasters happening in Trinidad are that the root issue is never addressed and floods every year have devastating effects across the country. But the root cause is unaccessibility of appropriate housing structures and land.
Michelle

11:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would not say that Evo's goverment was far more active than FEMA. We'll be able to make better comparisons if Trinidad's levies are breached and even then, I'm sure you'll be asked for an "aval politico del MAS" before you'll get your aid.

Now, can someone tell me who is pocketing all the money Bolivia is suppossed to be earning from CO2 emission credits?

12:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the question of what does coca farming and slash-and-burn landclearing do to the environment?

Yes, the US and other industrialized countries have their blame to global warming.

However, take a look at Bolivia and you will see all the talk of protecting the earth is nonsense.

Yes, I realize that putting food on the table now is more a priority than preserving forests and topsoil, but there definitely can be a middle ground.

Coca farming is TERRIBLE for the environment, yet Evo never asks those questions.

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Kevin said...

Jim, I don’t even know where to start on this one… However, I’ve found that the best way to mitigate the stress of reading articles such as this is humor… So, for now, I’ll leave you with this (and, the intriguing potential for Bolivians to do the same with their Llamas????)

From February 21, 2007 Bloomberg.com

“Sydney-based Easy Being Green says it will mitigate your cat's flatulent contribution to global warming for A$8 ($6). The same company could also make your granny ‘carbon-neutral’ at A$10 a year, according to a report in the Australian newspaper last weekend.”

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=columnist_mukherjee&sid=a6JuMPizIG6o

9:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let us not forget the ongoing Rio Pilcomayo disaster. Bolivian miners are contaminating the river so badly that for the next generation we should expect lead poisoning all the way to Buenos Aires.

11:55 AM  
Anonymous eduardo said...

I don't think Evo asked the question to stimulate debate on the topic. It would seem to be another manifestation of his political strategy: blame someone else for all our problems. It's much easier to blame the U.S. than address the questions regarding why we were not prepared.

12:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes slashing and burning for Coca is a terrible. This group in Rurremabaque uses agroforestry very succesfully too feed people and the forest at the same time.

http://ecotop-consult.de/

1:38 PM  
Blogger The Democracy Center said...

LOOKING FOR NORMAN

Dear Norman,

Would please contact me at my email: jimshultz@democracyctr.org

We have a chapter of our forthcoming book on Bolivia that I'd like to talk to you about. I promise that we won't reveal your identity to anyone.

Many thanks,

Jim Shultz
The Democracy Center

6:56 PM  
Blogger paddington said...

Hi - I know this isn´t a travel forum, but I thought I would ask yr collective advice anyway - is it complete madness to consider taking a bus from La Paz to Santa Cruz, given the floods? Or should this be a fairly straightforward trip?

Thanks for all yr information and comment btw - I am very much a beginner´s level student on Latin American politics, but your website is invaluable.

Robert

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting questions and not much action. 40% of a department under water and not even a declaration the area a disaster area?

Apparently, you dont see a problem with that.

Your beloved Evo sees beyond any of the critical analysis that you apply to those to the right of you.

WhoKnew

12:31 PM  
Anonymous Kevin said...

Honestly, I couldn't find an appropriate spot to put this comment as it, obviously, has little to do with the article... however, it is something important that needs to be brought to light... I found this article and it is probably more troubling then the nationalization of industries as it stinks of much more grim things to come:

Dissident Expelled from Bolivia Granted Asylum in Norway

Norway becomes a safe haven for Amauris Samartino after illegal detention

BOGOTA, Colombia, Feb. 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Amauris Samartino, a political dissident illegally expelled from Bolivia for criticizing President Evo Morales and Fidel Castro, has been granted asylum in Norway. Samartino, a medical doctor, was detained at gunpoint in eastern Bolivia last December for remarks he had made in the local media...."

more here: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-28-2007/0004536625&EDATE=

y en espanol:
http://www.thehrf.org/es/media/mediaSamartinoAsylum-es.html

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert,
The road should be alright except for one area coming out of the mountains, just before the Chapare Valley. There have been some mud slides and the road was closed for a few weeks. Currently the road is open from 8 a.m. until 8 p.m. HOWEVER this is for small vehicles only. From what I've been told trucks and busses are not permitted to go through. People traveling by bus walk or take a moto taxi from one side to the other and then get onto another bus. After that area I believe it's no problem all the way into Santa Cruz. I'm driving to the Chapare on Monday and then to Santa Cruz on Wednesday, if you haven't left by then I can advise you.
Tom

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The hypocrecy of Evo is astounding. It's alright to deport Amauris Samartino for openly criticizing the government, uprooting him from his wife, friends, life. However, having a peruvian national sought by the Peruvian authorities for prosecution as a presidential aide is completely acceptable. Nice

10:46 PM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

As a participant in the international arena about global warming, desertification, waste management, and other environmental specific factors, I will say that although true, the following statement, “It is not the world's impoverished countries that have fanned the forces of climate change with an addiction to energy use far beyond their fair share. The US, with 5% of the world's population, produces 25% of the planet's climate-changing carbon dioxide emissions. The "blame rate" for other wealthier nations is pretty similar.” Is not proven so true when the blame factor is introduced in the picture and hard data from the wealthier nations is put over the table.

No one in the scientific community discusses the pressure the northern hemisphere has over the earth’s environment when talking about global warming, as well put in Al Gore’s recently Oscar winner documental, “An Inconvenient Truth”. What is discussed is that these wealthier nations, principally the US, are not implementing policies that obligate their citizens to use the highest existent technology to help mitigate and many times reduce the amount of green house effect emissions thrown to the atmosphere. That is also specifically explained in the above mentioned documental, is worth seeing it.

When Southern hemisphere nations, poor and not so poor, come up in international meetings with something like, “Much has been written in recent years about the financial debts owed by the global south to the global north, but little is written (for now) about the vast environmental debt the energy-eating countries of the global north owe the climate change victims of the global south. Who will pay Bolivia for its glaciers?” Scientist from the developed northern countries comes up with something like this. Ok, let’s compare the degradation to the environment your citizens are responsible comparing to my citizens. First at all, they will never allow you to compare things we do not produce with things they do produce. For example, in a Bolivian vs. USA face to face who is to blame for environmental degradation; Bolivians will not be able to introduce in the picture pollution from auto motor manufacturing; since Bolivians do not manufacture vehicles. The way they put it, if we, Bolivians, use American cars, we are also responsible for the pollution during their manufacturing. Otherwise, we should build or own to pollute our own.

They will let you compare auto motor “use” pollution, since both countries “use” vehicles; one will think, OK, we will quick their asses here since there is obviously a lot more cars being use in the US than in Bolivia. But no, you cannot scientifically compare raw numbers; you compare trends and similar numbers. For example, how much a million US cars pollute compared to a million Bolivian cars; doesn’t matter that the US million cars represent 5% of all their cars and our million cars represent 80% of our cars. You guys get the picture?, US cars are obviously newer and our cars are obviously the old, rusty and environmentally unfriendly old US cars our government allows to be sold in the country; So much for our government policy about taking care of the environment. I will say, so much for different realities, at the moment of measuring environmental pollution, all countries are measured with the same ruler.

This happens with every single item or factor the poorer nations want to discus; in the scientific environment our strategy now is not to try to place the blame, since we will loose every single time; but to pressure for the first world countries to politically enforce the use of cleaner technology and to allow them to give us access to that environmentally friendly technology as a subsidize item to use in our countries.

That is why, a pedant, “Morales has called for a special session of the United Nations to engage a full global debate on what is to be done. (About global warming)” is going to backfire to us if our leader tries to enter in a facedown with the ignorant people he has around him when talking about the environment. I believe like some people in this Blog that Evo is spitting political bullshit that sounds good, but he really doesn’t care about the environment and even knows less about it than what he brags.

11:15 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Rip Van Winkle, err ... Kevin,

What's your next news flash:
Japan loses WWII;
JFK is assassinated; or
Bush beats Gore for presidency of US?

Your stale PR spin disguised as a news flash omitted:
1) Samartino is a wanted Cuban criminal;
2) Samartino allegedly committed a fraud of $40,000 (in pesos worth of US dollars);
3) The USA rejected Samartino as a political refugee despite prileged status as an anti-Castro Cuban because he did not pass the crook smell test when he fled to Guantanamo, back in the day;
4) Samartino committed an assault by engaging in rock-throwing in political act of violence against President Morales; and
5) Norway took Samartino because the US again rejected him as did Switzerland, and even Cuba.

Before you defend alleged crooks by clothing them in sheeps clothing, show you are not an ignorant clown who does not know where to post yesteryears news by doing your due diligence research instead of posting stale PR releases by those seeking funding.

What can we expect from you next? A defense of Goni?

1:58 AM  
Anonymous Kevin said...

EG, I and everyone else here, would have been disappointed if we did not receive a typical EG smartass response. After all, you thrive on belittling those around you right? Practically every post that I have read of yours dose just that when all that was needed was to state the facts or a counter argument as opposed to reverting to grade school insults with a college level vocabulary.

With that said, I apologize for bringing up old news but this was new news to me… I looked through this blog to see if it had been addressed in the past and I could not find anywhere where it had. Unfortunately, I have a job to do during the day so I don’t have time to do an exhaustive search for this stuff.

Now, EG, based on your response, I now understand the situation better. But please don’t take it personally when I would like to know the source of your answers (somewhere besides state run Cuban media or other such rags). Ok, take it personally… as I’m sure to expect another quick witted, 1000 word response explaining what an idiot I, and everyone else who does not agree with you are when the whole thing could have been wrapped up in 50 words. OK, sock it to me!!! Lets hear it…

8:32 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

Kevin,

Samartino was deported for speaking out against the Morales government. That is the way the Morales government presented it at the time. They used a Bolivian law prohibiting foreign nationals from getting involved in political discourse in Bolivia. There quickly followed a series of tongue-in-cheek warnings to Jim Shultz, the author of this blog, a foreign national who also weighs in on Bolivian politics. Jim is safe though as the Bolivian courts struck down the law as unconstitutional… over five years ago. Either the then Minister of Justice, Alicia Muñoz, was ignorant of this ruling or chose to ignore it. Either one speaks extremely poorly for the Morales government.

Concerning E-G’s allegations against Samartino, the Cuban ambassador did accuse him of swindling a peasant out of about $43,000 US. (40,000 pesos)… take it for what it’s worth. I don’t put a lot of stock in Cuban “truth”. [Side note for law experts: an accusation does not equal a conviction]. Did the US reject him as a political refugee? I don’t know. The US isn’t the easiest place to get into. I expect that since he was already getting asylum in Bolivia, the US probably didn’t give it a second thought. Hardly damning evidence. Long and short of it, the Morales government violated their own law, violated international treaties, but managed to get a big-mouthed pain in the neck out of the country, and isn’t that worth a few trampled freedoms?

10:15 AM  
Anonymous Kevin said...

Thank you Norman. The info is much appreciated.

Kevin

10:27 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Kevin Baby,
Don't take it personal.

El Grindio is here to entertain and inform instead of just lie and make bold claims like some in the pay of the US government. Research takes only a minute to google, read topic sentences and conclusions to see if it merits closer reading.

Below is research that took 30 seconds from Agence France to refute Norman's typical unsourced disinformacion (lies, like the ones that go against the fact that Samartino was forced on Banzer by the US.) straight from the State Department's talking points (you remember those as in "weapons of mass destruction"). Of course the source is from last year since the news is from then:

Agence France Presse -- Spanish
HEADLINE: Bolivia y EEUU buscan país que reciba a cubano anticastrista
DATELINE: LA PAZ Dic 28
BODY: Los gobiernos boliviano y estadounidense buscan un país que reciba al cubano anticastrista Amauris Samartino Flores, a un paso de ser expulsado de Bolivia acusado por La Paz de inmiscuirse en asuntos de política interna.

El viceministro boliviano de Régimen Interior, Rubén Gamarra, afirmó que el fallo del juez Rubén Delgado ordena la devolución del disidente castrista a "su punto de embarque", la base naval estadounidense de Guantánamo, de donde fue trasladado a Bolivia hace seis años por gestión del Departamento de Estado norteamericano y la Organización Internacional de Migraciones.

Sin embargo, indicó que se gestiona la aquiescencia de Washington para ese traslado aunque es muy probable que el enclave militar de Guantánamo no sea el destino final de Samartino. La embajada de Estados Unidos en La Paz no ha hecho ningún comentario oficial.

El presidente de la civil Asamblea Permanente de Derechos Humanos de Bolivia (APDHB), Guillermo Vilela, informó que el Defensor del Público, Waldo Albarracín, es el encargado de gestionar el destino del anticastrista y confirmó que no necesariamente sería la base norteamericana de la isla de Cuba.

La suerte del cubano, quien apareció en unos videos de televisión en manifestaciones autonomistas en la ciudad de Santa Cruz, fue el argumento que utilizó el gobierno boliviano para tramitar su expulsión, alegando que no es un refugiado político.

PS. Norman, if you flee the jurisdiction where you are being tried for a criminal matter, it is generally deemed an admission of guilt. And how about you start to source your wild unverified claims once your Huari-drinking, short skirt-chasing, (sexist, patriarchy-perpetuating-peladinga-corrupting-while-people-drown-carnival) carnival hangover subsides enough for you to have a decent level of reading comprehension. I'm guessing that would be about Lent Wednesday when you remember you hold yourself out to be an "active" catholic and bust out the rosary beads.

As to Jim, he never engages in throwing rocks at presidents thus his conduct is distinguishable from Samartino's which was video taped according to news sources. Comparing Jim and the gusano Samartino: apples and rotten lemons
:-)

12:27 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

If throwing rocks was what got him in trouble it's a good thing MAS only throws sticks... with fuses... Samartino was deported for speaking out against the Morales government, punto final. Good to have you back E-G.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous CAMBA ALZADO said...

It is funny how someone that cannot even read Spanish tries to defend the undefendable with a Spanish publication. I am glad for Samartino to be able to go to a real democratic country to live, even so that he is going officially and to the whole word; well, excluding Cuba, Bolivia and whatever world E-L lives on; as a “Political Refuge”. Status Samartino only got after living in Bolivia; we are getting even worse than Cuba now, what a sorry precedent.
Luckily for Samartino, it is very possible that we get reed of Evo and his murderer clan trough the “referendum revocatorio” this year. Since us Cambas are really good at obtaining signatures in a peaceful manner for a better democracy.

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the anonymous who post the warnings to Jim, I'm glad that they were understood as being tounge-in-cheek, but with the purpose of engaging in a debate about Evo's continuing trampling of the law.

Sure there'll be grindios who insist that it's ok to violate the rule of law. Samarinto was actually jailed for saying the word "autonomia." The actual text of the complainthad so many misreferences that it was non-sensical, but the judge allowed it because there was clear pressure to expedite matters.

I was in Bolivia the whole time and from the beggining public opinion was against this and Jim's sin was to never report this. Despite this, Evo insisted in getting him out and sending him back to Guantanamo. The irony, Grindio is now in favor of sending "suspected criminals" there.

The whole point is that until we give up the whole caudillista fetish with Evo, and start building true democratic institutions, nothing will improve in Bolivia. The issue is not the IMF, WTO, UN, FTAA, etc, but a lot more closer to home. It has to do with Bolivians doing the right thing, start with a Constitution with laws you are willing to respect.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Kevin said...

EG,
From my rough (very rough mind you) translation of the article, it really doesn’t support all of your points. Anyway, thanks for the information to everyone.

I would ask that Jim shed some objective light on this subject with a more thorough investigation of the facts. It seems that if he would like to bolster Evo’s cause, issues like these need to be addressed in some form.

Thanks again to everyone (including you EG) for the debates provided in this forum… I find it pertinent and fascinating as we have quite a bit of family down there.

Kevin

9:08 AM  
Anonymous Matedecoca said...

The US has about 5% of the world population and produces 25% of the world's CO2. Big deal. It's because it's so rich that it represents 25% of the world economy.

Anything wrong with that? I say no.

Furthermore, now that the global warming is the latest fashionable apocalypsis, poor countries that encounter natural disasters will play the guilt card towards the rich nations and lay the blame on them.

Now it's Evo Morales turn to question if a climatological event that has existed for centuries, such as El Niño, is to be blamed on the rich nations, especially the US.

Stop playing the victim card, people! It gets old and boring.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Kevin,
Thank you for making me feel "extra special" by expecting all my assertions to be proved by one piece of evidence. Thus, you hold me to a different standard than those lesser than I, like Norman's posts which are of the Republican nature, things are . . . just because they say they are as in "Mission Accomplished", "weapons of mass destruction" and "the insurgency is in its last throes".

This blog is infested with parrot-like posts repeating rumours, inuendos, and speaking points of the ultra-right not to mention the mindless thinking by Camba Alzado's inference:
"It is funny how someone that cannot even read Spanish tries to defend the undefendable with a Spanish publication."

Apparently, Camba Alzado is not just guilty of seeming to be another racist Camba. he must be a warlock who uses witchcraft to read a post and know what languages the poster can or cannot read and write.

As for supporting my posts, how about I just repost what I wrote on this controversy on another list where our conversation is primarily in Spanish:
De: "El Grindio"
Asunto: Comparar Chavez y Samartino = Comparar Naranja y Limon
Para:Bolivia_Llajta@yahoogroups.com

Samartino es como un limon agrio: un "Marielito" o un criminal común (cometió un fraude en Cuba) que Cuba prefiere que lo mantienen en otro país y que tampoco ni los gusanos en EEUU quieren que pise esa tierra para no tener otro criminal mas en Miami;
mientras tanto, Walter Chavez ("Chavez") es como una naranja dulce: un intelectual que fue torturado y suelto por falta de pruebas bajo el gobierno de Fujimori y despues trabajo para muchos medios inclueyendo los de la ultra derecha que ahora conspiran contra el para joder a Evo;
Samartino agredió al President Morales y cometió un crimen al tirar piedras en acto criminal durante una manifestación pro-autonomía y solamente cuenta apoyo de los conspiradores que buscan frenar los cambios sociales en Bolivia y los neo-fascistas que lo contrataron a atacar al Presidente Morales;
Chavez es un inocente que tiene apoyo de varios intelectuales como se puede ver abajo:
Agence France Presse -- Spanish
February 4, 2007 Sunday
HEADLINE: Danielle Mitterand denuncia persecución contra ex asesor de Evo Morales
DATELINE: LIMA Feb 4
BODY: La ex primera dama de Francia, Danielle Mitterand, denunció una "persecución internacional" contra el periodista peruano Walter Chávez, ex asesor del presidente de Bolivia Evo Morales, en un comunicado de solidaridad suscrito por más de 50 intelectuales divulgado el domingo en Lima.

"Vemos con preocupación que se ha desatado una persecución internacional contra el periodista e intelectual peruano Walter Chávez (...), a quien se acusa de tener un pasado terrorista en su país" dice el comunicado que encabeza la firma de Mitterand como presidenta de la Fundación France Libertés.

Los firmantes denuncian que a Chávez, director de la revista boliviana "El juguete rabioso" y de la versión boliviana de "Le Monde Diplomatique", se le acusa de "ejercer una maligna influencia sobre el gobernante Evo Morales".

El comunicado suscrito por intelectuales de Canadá, Suiza, España, Argentina, Brasil y Bolivia, subraya que el periodista es víctima de una campaña "orquestada por el partido de derecha Podemos" (Bolivia).

"La situación de refugiado político de Chávez en Bolivia nunca fue un secreto" recuerdan, al aludir al estatus otorgado en 1992 por ACNUR tras haber sido "arrestado en Lima acusado de pertenecer al MRTA, mantenido cautivo, torturado durante un mes en 1990 y luego liberado por inexistencia de pruebas".

El caso Chávez saltó al primer plano hace una semana cuando la procuradoría peruana reactivó su expediente tras recibir una denuncia periodística desde la capital boliviana.

Según la justicia peruana el ex asesor presidencial es "reo contumaz" por no asistir a las citaciones judiciales en Perú, donde tiene una acusación fiscal de principios de la década 1990 por terrorismo.

Según el procurador antiterrorista Guillermo Cabala "la fiscalía solicitó para Chávez 25 años de cárcel por considerarlo terrorista".

El gobierno peruano indicó que pedirá la extradición de Chávez cuando la justicia local se lo solicite. En respuesta, La Paz afirmó que mantendrá el estatus de refugiado del peruano.

El caso estalló luego que el régimen boliviano expulsó a principios de enero al cubano Amauris Samartino. Este fue acusado por el gobierno de Evo Morales de apoyar públicamente las autonomías regionales que demandan provincias del oriente de este país.

http://www.bolpress .com/art. php?Cod=20061226 14&PHPSESSID=cfe9e0812 0d67e58253ece7d5 d763bd4

Deportarán al cubano disidente en el primer vuelo disponible
El cubano Amauri Samartino fue traído al país por el departamento de Estado de Estados Unidos en 2000. En 2001 se le otorgó residencia con carácter permanente y a través de la Resolución 45213 se anuló su permanencia, y se dispuso su expulsión por haber infringido normas migratorias como la clara prohibición a inmiscuirse en la política interna.

El diputado de Santa Cruz Oscar Urenda junto al senador Oscar Ortiz y el presidente de la Brigada Parlamentaria Antonio Franco presentaron un recurso de Habeas Corpus defendiendo a Samartino, un médico cubano que criticó públicamente los estrechos vínculos entre los gobiernos de Bolivia y Cuba. De acuerdo con un comunicado emitido por el Ministerio de Gobierno, Samartino Flores infringió una norma de 1996, que establece la expulsión de extranjeros "que intervengan en cualquier forma en política interna o inciten por cualquier medio a la alteración del orden social, político o de las organizaciones sindicales".

Samartino fue acusado de estar involucrado en los hechos de violencia suscitados luego del cabildo de Santa Cruz el 15 de diciembre. El 16 y 17 de diciembre, grupos afines al Comité Cívico de Santa Cruz y a su grupo de choque la Unión Juvenil Cruceñista recorrieron varias poblaciones de la Chiquitanía, agrediendo a los que identificaban como "collas" o indígenas, llegando a quemar sus casas y saquear su puestos de venta.

El embajador de Cuba en Bolivia Rafael Dausá indicó que su conciudadano tiene cargos en su país por delitos comunes relacionados con estafas.

Samartino Flores fue detenido el sábado en Santa al promediar las 11:00 horas y transferido La Paz. El Defensor del Pueblo Waldo Albarracín entiende la preocupación del gobierno boliviano en relación a determinadas actividades de Samartino, pero cuestionó el procedimiento que se usó para su detención.



Cuba no descarta pedir extradición de Samartino si éste retorna a Bolivia
El gobierno de Cuba no descartaría solicitar la extradición de su connacional anticastrista Amauris Samartino Flores si retornara a Bolivia desde Colombia, a donde viajó como refugiado político tras ser expulsado de Bolivia a principios de enero pasado.

"No descartamos solicitar la extradición" de Samartino, afirmó hoy el embajador de Cuba en Bolivia, Rafael Dahusá, al comentar el fallo del Tribunal Constitucional (TC) que consideró ilegal la expulsión del disidente castrista.

A principios de enero, Samartino fue expulsado de Bolivia, acusado por el gobierno de Evo Morales de inmiscuirse en asuntos de política interna, y fue trasladado a Colombia, que lo acogió mientras se desarrollan los trámites legales para viajar a Suiza, su destino final.

Rodolfo Téllez, abogado del cubano, dijo que su cliente aún no había decidido volver a Bolivia, tras el fallo del TC, y que él evaluará una decisión en los próximos días, pese a que el gobierno boliviano le acusa de apoyar públicamente las autonomías regionales que demandan provincias del oriente de este país.

El embajador Dahusá dijo que si bien no hay un tratado de extradición entre Bolivia y Cuba, ambos países son signatarios de acuerdos internacionales que avalarían un trámite de estas características.

El diplomático recordó que Samartino tiene pendiente un juicio en su país, por la estafa de 40.000 pesos cubanos (igual en dólares) a un connacional. "Es un estafador", insistió Dahusá.

1:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys,

in the angst to defend those closest to our own political leanings, legitimate & commendable though they may be, i think we could be missing the point here.

Yes, there could be a case for those arguing that the Bolivian government has adopted some type of “double standards” on the Samartino & Chavez cases, being harder on one & softer on the other.

But actually, thinking about it, most if not all countries (and that includes much of what is generally termed the “free world”) apply some form of double standards to such questions.Which can be described, in somewhat simplistic terms that nevertheless paint the picture fairly well, as “the enemy of my enemy is my friend, whilst the enemy of my friend is not.”

Think about it guys, from the US, to Europe, to the Soviet bloc, to pretty much anywhere else, if a guy that was a problem for a state you were not very friendly with came to your country, your country would take him in. On the other hand, if the guy was a problem for a country you were on friendly terms with, you’d be less likely to take him in, & even if you did you’d probably send him back if that friendly country of yours subsequently asked for this.

Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that Evo’s doing the right thing with Samartino or with Chavez (I actually haven’t even followed the cases enough to really hold much of an opinion). But holding him up for acting in such a way, without being at least aware that this is the very same way many of our most loved governments in the world operate, could be a touch harsh, if not also hypocritical.

Jack

12:41 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

E-G, what part do I need to clarify?

- The Morales government deported Samartino for violating a 1996 statute prohibiting foreign nationals from involving themselves in Bolivian politics; i.e. he spoke out against President Morales and Bolivia’s ties with Cuba. (http://www.bolpress.com/art.php?Cod=2006122614&PHPSESSID=cfe9e08120d67e58253ece7d5d763bd4 i.e. your reference)

- The Morales government apparently did not use rock throwing or Cuban allegations as legal justification for the expulsion. (I've found nothing and you have provided nothing to say otherwise.)

- The 1996 statute had been struck down by the Bolivian court system as unconstitutional back in 2001. (http://humanrightsfoundation.org/media/mediaSamartino.html)

- Either:
a) the Morales government knew this and did it anyway in violation of the court ruling, or
b) the Morales did not know what their own courts had ruled and were inept. (logic)
----
Jack, true, other governments expel undesirables. Many of our most loved governments though will usually find a more stable legal footing to do so. Regarding Mr. Chavez, I have no real opinion. I believe that is a political move by the Morales opposition.

2:08 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Norman,

You are being less than honest again. You falsely mislead readers by the typical Republican tactic of lying, misstating or saying something says what it does not say.

1)You use a stealth right-wing organization's propaganda/"secret" evidence to create a false dilemma for Evo because he was:
A) "in violation of the [secret] court ruling"; or
B)he "was inept";
all based on your phony right-wing "Human Rights Foundation"'s secret documents.

Your post is in the bad faith spirit of the evil-doers inhabiting the corridors of power in the white house and the phony right wing “human rights foundation” you cite. It is an obvious front for the CIA or some other nefarious stealth group with an agenda to discredit governments seeking to help their poor instead of aiding elites while their countries function as de facto colonies for transnational corporations and permanent debtors to the World Bank so Wall Street may profit forever from their poverty. Note that your source only mentions Bolivia and Venezuelan “human rights” cases and nary a word of the US’s ongoing policy of torture in Guantanamo, the secret CIA prisons or the immigrants being held indefinitely without right to an attorney under Bush’s recent decree. I wonder why that is? Could it be for the same reason that a dog does not bite the hand that feeds it?

2) As to your dishonest translation:
"The Morales government deported Samartino for violating a 1996 statute prohibiting foreign nationals from involving themselves in Bolivian politics; i.e. he spoke out against President Morales and Bolivia’s ties with Cuba."

As for your complicity in that disinformation campaign, you cover-up that the article we both cited does not say Samartino was accused of using an undefined "free speech" right. The article says he was:
"acusado de estar involucrado en los hechos de de violencia"

Accurate translation:
"accused of being implicated in the acts of violence"

That article goes on to name the dates and places where terroristic acts were inflicted on the poor who did not support the autonomia charade and cites the Cuban ambassador for the allegation that Samartino had charges pending like a common crook. Here it is in context AGAIN:

"Samartino fue acusado de estar involucrado en los hechos de violencia suscitados luego del cabildo de Santa Cruz el 15 de diciembre. El 16 y 17 de diciembre, grupos afines al Comité Cívico de Santa Cruz y a su grupo de choque la Unión Juvenil Cruceñista recorrieron varias poblaciones de la Chiquitanía, agrediendo a los que identificaban como "collas" o indígenas, llegando a quemar sus casas y saquear su puestos de venta.
El embajador de Cuba en Bolivia Rafael Dausá indicó que su conciudadano tiene cargos en su país por delitos comunes relacionados con estafas."

As to your question of what you need to clarify, CLARIFY THIS: How can you hold yourself out to be a Catholic and engage in serial violations of this Top Ten commandment: “Thou shall not bear false witness”?

I do not hold myself out as a Catholic yet I helped fund the building of a Catholic church in one of the Cochabamba Villas, I stayed in parishes as a guest of Catholic hierarchy and am familiar with the good works of the Maryknoll bretheren. You cause their reputation as much harm as do the pedophiles and homosexuals amongst the shepheards of their flock. You should only identify yourself as a Republican and drop “active” Catholic from how you define yourself.

Then all would be cool. The reader would know what to expect from your posts. More of the same as from lying Republicans like Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and the village idiot who admitted he lied to the press when he said he would not fire the former Secretary of Defense shortly before he fired him. Or you acting as a "lorro hablador" repeating the disinformation throughout Bolivian media as it seeks to stop the inevitable social movements to a true democracy with liberty and justice for all.

Aside: Clinton could finesse his lies, Hillary is not much better, but I digress since this blog is about Bolivia and your dishonest assertions not the sophisticated corruption and injustice within US governance.

Besides with almost all the media controlled by the ogliarch vultures who pick at the carcass that has been Bolivia's state assetts, assisting in the building of democracy from the bottom up is more than enough of Herculean task to try to do in one's spare moments.

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Blogger Norman said...

"Amauris Samartino, a political dissident illegally expelled from Bolivia for criticizing President Evo Morales and Fidel Castro,..." - BOGOTA, Colombia, Feb. 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/

"In an unrelated case, Amauris Samartino - a former Cuban dissident expelled from Bolivia for criticizing President Evo Morales and Fidel Castro..." - www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/16804896.htm

“Sucre, Bolivia—El viernes 2 de febrero de 2007, el Tribunal Constitucional de Bolivia se pronunció en contra del gobierno de Evo Morales y a favor de un hombre detenido ilegalmente y luego expulsado de Bolivia por haber criticado a Fidel Castro y a Evo Morales.” - http://www.elcato.org/node/2232

“President Evo Morales' socialist government decided to expel Samartino, accusing him of having violated immigration regulations by participating in a political demonstration in the eastern city of Santa Cruz, where he had lived for the past six years.” - (EFE, 9/1/07) www.cubasource.org/publications/chronicles/coc200701fa_e.asp

Tribunal dice que la expulsión de Samartino fue illegal – “El Tribunal Constitucional declaró procedente el recurso de hábeas corpus (RHC) interpuesto por la defensa del cubano Amauris Samartino contra la resolución del Ministerio de Gobierno que dispuso su expulsión de Bolivia.” // “La sentencia constitucional 0037/2007-R, hecha pública ayer, señala que la Resolución 4213, del 19 de septiembre de 2006, firmada por la ex ministra de Gobierno, Alicia Muñoz Alá, está basada en el Decreto Supremo 24423 que fue declarado inconstitucional el año 2001.” - www.laprensa.com.bo/noticias/03-02-07/03_02_07_segu1.php

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E-G,

I know this is a dead thread and you probably will miss this, but just in case... I regret that I focused on the negative side of your last comment and neglected the positive. Thanks for your work with the Catholic Church. There's plenty we don't agree on, but your help to the Church is proof of some common ground. Hopefully the bad impression I give you does not prevent you from further assistance. We'll argue later, but for now, I sincerely wish you the Lord's blessings.

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