Friday, March 09, 2007

President Bush Takes his Unpopularity to Latin America

Readers:

Yesterday US President George W. Bush headed off for a six day visit to a region of the world where his public popularity is even worse than it is at home in the US – Latin America. Alongside the expected red carpets and state parties, the Bush trip will be flanked from start to end with mass public protests and strategically placed sharpshooters to guard against attack.

To examine that visit The Democracy Center yesterday published an issue of our email newsletter dedicated to it, a closer look at the botched landscape of US/Latin American relations. You can read the full article here. The introduction is below, along with a link to the full article as well.

Jim Shultz


President Bush Takes his Unpopularity to Latin America

Cochabamba, Bolivia: A January poll of 603 prominent Latin Americans (leading politicians, government officials, academics and journalists) found that 86 percent gave the Bush administration a fair or poor grade for its handling of the region. Poll after poll in the region shows that Bush's resounding unpopularity looks just as deep both on the street and even among self-described conservatives. It is likely that more people believe that professional wrestling is real than believe the Bush Administration is much of a friend south of the border.

To be sure, Bush has launched his trip with rhetoric as sunny as the South American summer into which he is headed. Bush told Colombian TV. "It's nothing more than to say we want to be your friends, and we've got a very strong policy of improving the lives of others. My trip is a chance to tell the people of Colombia, Uruguay and Brazil and Guatemala and Mexico that the United States cares deeply about the human condition."

South Americans aren't buying it.

In Bogotá, Colombia this week, a full three days before Bush was even set to arrive, more than 2,000 people filled the streets to protest his visit. More than 6,000 protested today in Sao Palo Brazil, Bush's first stopover. Similar greetings await him at most every visit ahead. In a region of the world that once named broad avenues after modern US Presidents, Mr. Bush is not even likely to score having a bus bench erected in his name.

The Roots of US Unpopularity

Why is Bush, and by association the U.S., so unpopular here? Certainly many Bush backers will argue that his antagonists in the region (and he has many) have made it standard practice to blame the U.S. for every ailment the region suffers – from economic catastrophe to natural disaster. There is some truth to this. It is the nature of politicians to look for ways to blame everyone but themselves. What, for example, hasn't Bush himself blamed on the attacks of 9/11? From the Rio Grande to Tierra del Fuego, the US has been blamed for all manner of problems, including a good many that are homegrown.

But the tide of anti-U.S. sentiment keeps rising here, not because of false concerns, but real ones. Consider a few: [Read the full article here.]

52 Comments:

Anonymous tramp11 said...

Excellent article. The US has only itself to blame if it is so unpopular in the region. Hope the next administration can indeed pick up the pieces and change the bad image. There is a lot of work to be done - for real democracy and real freedom, not the sham promoted by Bush & Co as an excuse for pre-emptive war.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Suck my Balls Jimbo!!!!!

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Justo Perez said...

To Mr. Shultz ,

The terms I used to describe your reports are biased and distorted. I didn’t say you were inaccurate. It might seem like a paradox but it’s not. You can be accurate when a reporting about a particular occurrence or fact which is part of a more complex situation while giving your readers an idea which is not representative of the real problem. That is what, in my view, your reports do. You pretend to make the people who read the reports believe that Bolivia’s economic problems and certain episodes of violence have been generated exclusively by the policies imposed by foreign companies and multilateral lending organizations and that is just not so. Bolivia is one of the few countries in the world that has been benefited by the HIPC Initiative and the Millennium Challenge Account by which its overall debt levels have been reduced significantly. Bolivia’s foreign debt has been reduced or condoned by many industrialized countries and multilateral lending institutions many times over the years. These past days Morales has been in Japan thanking the emperor for condoning $570 million of Bolivia’s debt with that country ! There are many examples of similar countries that work with the IMF, WB , IDB, etc. , have not qualified for the generous debt reductions and are still managing to grow, reduce poverty levels significantly and attract national and foreign investments that creat jobs. Chile and now Peru are excellent examples of what needs to be done in “third world countries”. In my view, Morales is who devastated the country’s economy by ordering his thugs to block the main highways for months at a time causing enormous losses to the exporting companies who provide thousands of jobs which are so desperately needed in Bolivia.
Others have done a great job writing extensive and detailed comments to convey the fact that it is not outside of Bolivia where its problems lie. This eternal and destructive practice of blaiming everything on others needs to stop for bolivians to improve their quality of life. You are not helping to do that and certainly the current antidemocratic and authoritarian president isn’t either

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason Kennedy was so popular in Latin America was because he was Catholic - end of story.
The mobs of demonstrators meeting Bush are organized by socialist/communist organzations, like The Democracy Center, just as they are in the USA. Basically they're rent-a-mobs. And Jim, your line about building a wall to keep out the unemployed from Latin America is just absurd. Bush has basically opened the border wide open to any and all comers. Bush wants to legalize 20 million illegal aliens , 80 percent of whom are from south of the border. They should be cheering him. Yasar Faster

1:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The mobs of demonstrators meeting Bush are organized by socialist/communist organzations, like The Democracy Center, just as they are in the USA."

ad hominem

Here's another example:

Anonymous, the reason you are wrong is because Ann Coulter would agree with you.

The next US president should concern himself (who are we kidding) with investigating what actually happened on September 11, 2001 before it becomes a moot point like Kennedy and why the mainstream media helped trick the nation into the current genocide.

When South Americans finally watch CNN reporting the end of the corporate twoface and the rise of a true Usamerican Republic, relations would be restored overnight.

1:33 AM  
Anonymous Justo Perez said...

Getting some idealistic and inexperienced youngsters together with some disciplined communist for a protest against the US isn't all that difficult in LA. Being anti-american is like a "chic" thing for many intelectuals and artists just like it is in the US.
These mobs created for the CNNs to film do not represent what the majority of the population feels about the US.
Living in Bolivia, Mr. Shultz should know how easy it is to get a few thousand campesinos loaded in trucks as if they were animals to carry them around to "protest" here and there against this and that in exchange for some amusement, some chicha (booz) and few pesos. When asked, 95% of them don't know what they are protesting agaisnt.
These "demonstrations" mean absolutely nothing.

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very well put Justo. After reading your excellent description of who demonstates, a term popped into my head, 'Useful idiot.' From the college educated idealistic young adults to the illiterate campensinos, they are for the most part, useful idiots. Useful to the puppeteers who pull their strings, or as you say in some cases, pay for their chicha.

12:52 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Mr. Shultz,

From today’s report, could you be more precise explaining the following points :

“If there is a core reason behind the so-called "pink tide" that has swept one left-leaning government after another into office in the region, it is resentment against the forced economics of the so-called "Washington Consensus" that have left people here worse off, not better.”

Why did the peruvian people vote against the leftist candidate who offered them easy solutions and wanted his country to become part of the “pink tide”? Why did the candidate who offered them the difficult and only path towards prosperity win the elections in which the poor are who effectively decide the winner ? Could it be perhaps that they didn’t want their children to experince today the same irresponsible policies that brought them economic chaos two decades ago? Why don’t you ever mention the
“other” examples?
Isn’t the “pink tide” just a momentary illusion created by the huge dilapidation of the venezuelan citizens resources by a mesianic authoritarian clown?




“Bush's so-called "free trade" agenda is no more popular. US imports from an economy hundreds of times larger than many here flood out local products generating increasing unemployment”

Which south american countries currently run trade deficits with the US?
Aren’t the products that “flood” Bolivia’s markets mainly produced in Brazil, Argentina, Peru and Chile? Would you affirm that there are more american products?
How has the trade relation between the US, Mexico and Chile evolve? Have Mexico’s and Chile’s trade surpluses grown after entering free trade relations with the US or have they diminished?

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim is a socialist and would not know a fair and balanced report if one was written for him.

He is a puppet of failed politics and a fan of oppressive regimes and leaders.

He is a dishonest reporter!

12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim, what´s going on with the gas shortages in Cochabamba. And is it true that the residents of Beni gave Hugo Chavez a chilly welcome_

6:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a new version of the old "Yankees go home" graffitti which I found very amusing. It reads...."Yankees go home!!!!...but take me with you..."

7:06 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Anonymous 6:13,
Your question arises from the international media that generally receives news feeds from the right wing controlled Bolivian media. (For example: CNN gets its footage from Unitel. Thus, in the US, we did not see in January how Manfred's paramilitary lead marchers (allegedly led and/or organized by Camba paramilitaries breech the police barricades and club cholitas and the defenseless elderly that Argentinian media showed).

As to Trinidad, the prefecto and mayor were "chilly" no shows at the airport where Chavez was apparently warmly greeted and thanked for nonpolitcicized help by the indigenous flood victims as stated in the Spanish article below. It maybe that "autonomista" leaders were busy re-bagging the international aid and claiming it as belonging to them as can be seen in the photo and article setting forth the evidence of said egregious acts here:
http://www.abi.bo/index.php

We discussed this on our Bolivian list, whose thread is pasted below today's sharp concise analysis by Jose Lanza, an articulate fellow Boliviano, who responded to my posts by stating it is not a surprize that Bolivia-sellouts capitalize economically at the cost of the public's suffering:

'Absolutamente no nos sorprende ninguna de las acciones de los "vendepatrias" , siempre tratando de capitalizarse economicamente o politicamente a costa del sufrimiento del pueblo.

Ahora falta ver la respuesta de los imbeciles "guapos", lo mas probable es que se queden mudos.'

El Grindio wrote:
>Unos donan para ayudar a los damnificados mientras otros se adueñan de la donación para reembolsarlo como si es de ellos.
>
>Ver el foto y este articulo:
>'Grave: Prefectura beniana reembolsa alimentos donados e imprime su sello de "propiedad"
>- La prensa constató esta irregularidad en los ambientes donde se encuentran depositados las donaciones del Programa Mundial de Alimentos. Un representante de la Prefectura no supo qué explicación dar cuando fue consultado sobre el hecho. El Gobierno califica esa acción como una manipulación política de la desgracia que vive el departamento. . . '
>
>Ver y leer mas:
>http://www.abi. bo/index. php
>
>El Grindio escribió: ABI A7966 21:32:35 10-03-2007 1-B ABI: INDÍGENAS - ORGULLO
>
> Damnificados indígenas destacan ayuda humanitaria sin tinte político
>
> Trinidad, 10 mar (ABI).- Santos Temo, poblador afectado por la inundación, dijo hoy que es un orgullo tener de presidente a una persona como Evo Morales Ayma que no mira colores para ayudar a la gente necesitada.
>
> "Es el primer Presidente que llega hasta nuestras comunidades, nosotros somos de tierra adentro y realmente nos sentimos felices porque nuestro hermano indígena como nosotros cumple lo que promete. "Nos dijo que iba a llegar tractores y lo cumplió", mencionó Temo mientras contemplaba la maquinaria que será distribuida a todos los municipios benianos.
>
> Temo dijo que muchos presidentes llegaron hasta Trinidad e hicieron varias promesas pero nada de ello se cumplió, sin embargo, la situación cambió con Morales "que realmente cumple lo que promete".
>
> "Yo me siento orgulloso de tener un Presidente de esta naturaleza y me siento también orgulloso de ser indígena. Gracias al Gobierno central está llegando ayuda de todos los países para nosotros que hemos sido afectados por la inundación", dijo.
>
> Por su parte, Pedro Rosel, de la comunidad de Vermeo, señaló que caminaron todo un día para llegar pero el esfuerzo valió la pena porque vieron realmente la ayuda que está llegando.
>
> "Ningún otro Gobierno nos ayudó como el presidente Evo Morales, a los otros los conocíamos por la televisión solamente, sin embargo, a él (Evo) lo hemos visto en persona y ha compartido con nosotros nuestras penas", manifestó.
>
> Entre tanto, Peregrina Machua, quien llegó hasta Trinidad desde la comunidad de Puente San Pablo, dijo estar agradecida por la ayuda que está haciendo llegar el Jefe de Estado, gracias a las gestiones ante gobiernos amigos como el de Venezuela, cuyo mandatario, Hugo Chávez, saludó hoy a los indígenas benianos.
>
> "Yo estoy acá para ayudarle al hermano Evo y sé que también nos va a ayudar a nosotros, los campesinos", mencionó.
>
> Por otro lado, Mario Magne, criticó al prefecto Ernesto Suárez y al alcalde Moisés Shriqui, por no asistir al acto. "No han venido y yo creo que es por vergüenza porque no saben qué cara mostrar ante tanta ayuda que está trayendo el Gobierno. En vez de estar resentidos deberían venir a dar las gracias", dijo.

7:07 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

What could be more political and repulsive than an emperor (Hugo I) visiting his far domains in company of his local governor to make a media show from the sorrow of thousands of people who have lost everything...

8:03 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Question: Justo Perez asks "what could be more political and repulsive than. . ."

Answer: Just about any of Justo's posts are more political and repulsive than anything anyone could write because they are filled with mistruths, opinions disguised as facts, ad hominem attacks against Jim's solidly researched journalism and mainly just weird stuff, including this directed at Jim:

"The terms I used to describe your reports are biased and distorted. I didn’t say you were inaccurate."

Well, guess what injusto "Justo", if you say something is "distorted", you are saying it is "inaccurate".

Justo also wildly used Peru as an example for an unsupportable, irresponsible claim when he first wrote:
1) "Why did the candidate who offered them the difficult and only path towards prosperity win the elections in which the poor are who effectively decide the winner?"

2) Justo then tried to support his wild inference that Jim is misleading his readers because Jim does not 'ever mention the "other" examples" like the above.

Question for you, Justo: What examples is Jim hiding?

As to your example of Peru, the conservative pro-Bush Peruvian candidate lost by a landslide. The election was a runoff between two left wing candidates with Alan Garcia of APRA (Peru's perennial leftist party) winning by triangulating and capturing more of the middle, who held their noses while voting for the allegedly corrupt, purported former cokehead Garcia.

In summation, Justo, the answer to your question-as set forth above-is that your posts are about the most political and repulsive of all except those of sickos like Anonymous 6:16pm's vile post.

11:40 PM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

Grindiotita, ABI, that is where you get your information from Bolivia?, the regimes official Agencia Boliviana de Informacion?; you know, trying to defend the un defendable sometimes makes people look bad, but your situation is pathetic. Using ABI as a source of “valid” information for a debate about Bolivia is like using the Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda as a “valid” source of information to debate about the Jewish influence in the Nazi Germany. Anybody that knows even a little bit about Bolivia knows that ABI is the institution the Mazi Regime uses for its own propaganda about their doings in the Country.

The true about donations distribution is that they were very well managed and distributed by the Prefects, Private Institutions and Civic Committees and that Evo and the Regime could not allow for their political rivals to be shown favorably in the spotlight. Therefore, they invented a decree obligating anybody that wants to help Bolivia to give their donations to the Regime for their distribution. This was an absolutely political move and reduced the aid from those that do not trust the Mazi Regime, which are a lot of people and organizations. Why should they donate anything to a government that has being caught live on TV distributing donated food to their toughs during a boycott to democracy in Cochabamba; and having the leader of this deviation of aid, instead of being punish by the government, being granted a minister position. Could you Grindidotita send me a link where this information is posted in ABI? Thank you very much.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous zorro said...

even if structural differences like disparities in socio-ecomomic status and political power are the reason for conflict in multi-ethnic democracies. humans will never get it right because we are animals.. :( sad but true.

12:36 AM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Wow! I am now officially bad enough to deserve the rage of the "Grindio" (blushing)!! Speaking about ad hominen attacks.....
The reason why I addressed Mr. Shultz personally, is because I was responding to a personal request I received from him a couple of weeks ago which I hadn't been able to respond before.
For what I have read from you, it seems that you have a medium command of the language so I really don't understand why you can't establish what the difference is between distorted and inaccurate in the context being discussed (maybe that’s the reason why you forgot to mention I also and primarily used the word biased).
Regarding your comment about the 2006 peruvian election, I don't think that less than 6 % difference between the first and the third candidates would be considered "loosing (or winning) by a landslide" in Peru or anywhere else in the world. (UPP 25.67% / APRA 20.4 % / UN 19.8 %)
The reason I find the peruvian political and economic experience so valuable as an example for other countries in LA is because during the 2006 election process the APRA left behind their original socialist agenda and presented a new center political speech that was embraced by the majority of the voters who remembered the economic chaos that resulted from the previous socialist policies applied by this political group during their first time in office during the 80s. (Who could forget 30 % inflation a MONTH, no food in the markets, no medicines in the hospitals, no reserves in the central bank of the country, no national or foreign investment, etc.). The reality is that two candidates (APRA and UN) offered the voters a vision of a competitive country inserted in the global economy competing for investment capitals and the third one (UPP) offered them to become part of the "pink tide" . The fact that poor but hopeful people that have REALLY suffered the detriment of populism and socialism decided to continue with the long and difficult path towards prosperity and justice leaving behind the easy shortcuts that just lead to the abyss is inspirational. Just analyze the peruvian economic statistics like GDP growth, exports growth, national and foreign investment growth, and most importantly, job creation growth and % of people that have are now over the levels of poverty and extreme poverty to understand what I am referring to this country's experience as the correct path.

12:13 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Justo Perez,

It is with pride and great pleasure that I bestow on you the Grindio Order of Enmity and Badge of Libel (gold star in lieu of second award). Your unswerving attempts at logic and reason in the face of socialist rhetoric have distinguished you among you peers as worthy of contempt in the highest degree. Your selfless pursuit common sense and rational discourse while participating in this blog stand as a model to each of us and fully merit complete disdain, unequivocal derision and scorn beyond measure. Welcome to the brotherhood. May your example shine as a beacon to all of us.

1:21 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Your use of false flattery is a loser, Justo, just like your refusal to concede a losing point or your otherwise lack of understanding of the basics of language (Spanish or English) or math. But don't take it personal, it's probably just a function of your genetic code. That is why:

1) You "really don't understand . . . what the difference is between distorted and inaccurate in the context being discussed" and the following particularly ridulous grouping of words impersonating an idea: "(maybe that’s the reason why you forgot to mention I also and primarily used the word biased)."

2) Nor do you understand that you lost by a landslide if you get only "19.8%" of the vote as did the landslide loser candidate of UN. Here's the math: IT MEANS MORE THAN 80% OF THE VOTERS VOTED AGAINST THAT LOSER. A LANDSLIDE!

Last lesson:
In Spanish (homeschooled by my mom) or English, Italian or French (languages I studied in high school), a distortion is by definition an inacurracy. Blinded by your ideological bias, you just do not get that a bias expressed taints reality because it is an inaccurate view of reality due to said bias. Since you may be a polite slow-witted fellow, just look up "bias" in "The Synonym Finder" by JI Rodale and you will read that a synonym for "bias" is "distort" thus crossapply my reasoning from above as to "distort".

Henceforth, I'll just skip your posts. They lack information or insights as badly as "Bolivia Libre"'s time-suck posts that belong with posts of that ilk on eldeber.net. (A blog which documents just how bad the average right wing Bolivian's education was or is.)

1:33 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

ERRATA:
My post above should read as to Justo's posts: "They lack RELIABLE information or insights. . ."

Closing thought: Justo claims that somehow within his posts there can exist a context wherein his violations of the rules of civilization's languages are an anomoly that are an exception to all applicable rules.

Justo: the only context that can exist as such would be if you and Boliva Libre have a conversation.

Within that scary thought (since it likely would be at a meeting of fascists), all false facts and misrepresentations would be governed by the alternate universe within which both of your minds engage themselves.

2:15 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Grindio, goodness me… I really think I pinched a nerve there! Don’t worry, no one really cares about your farcical attempts to show your command of the language.
Regarding your last two comments, the lack of order and the futile use of intricate language to account for your lack of reason exempt me from further comments except for one… Mr. Shultz is probably using that proverbial Spanish phrase “..no me defienda compadre..” after reading your posts.

7:35 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Mr. Shultz, since you haven't provided any further data to back up your center's claim that “Bush's so-called "free trade" agenda is no more popular. US imports from an economy hundreds of times larger than many here flood out local products generating increasing unemployment”, I will proceed to answer the questions myself.

The 2006 stats from the US Dept. Of Commerce indicate that the US runs a deficit of $46,311,408,553 (46 billion dollars) with South America as a region. Eight out of ten countries run surpluses with the US. The only exceptions are Argentina and Paraguay. Bolivia’s trade surplus with the US in ’06 was $147,001,710 .

Chile’s trade surplus with the US has gone from $1,109,056,000 in ‘04 (the year the Chile-US free trade agreement was signed) to $2,770,296,000 in ’06
( +150% )
The information to back up these figures can be found in the following website :

http://tse.export.gov/NTDChart.aspx?UniqueURL=0me0us55eh50w1mwne2mbe45-2007-3-12-12-39-44

This information objectively shows that your center’s claim that the so called “flood of US products” which supposedly “increases the unemployment” in these countries is simply not accurate.

9:02 PM  
Anonymous Cortisona said...

Justo, I think you did it! You found a sentence out of thousands that is factually incorrect when taken literally.

I *assume* that the writer was referring to the impact of "free trade" agreements on agricultural workers and farmers, which is a no-brainer as the U.S. has a heavily subsidized industrial farming industry that has already caused this effect in Mexico. Look it up if you need to. So you win, that sentence was poorly written.

It doesn't change the fact that free trade agreements such as NAFTA have already proven to be catastrophic for impoverished campesinos because of the aforementioned subsidies.

Which is why even Lula, the "sensible leftist" has called bullshit on WTO, FTAA and TLC until the subsidies in USA and Europe are gone. I don't have to walk very far every day here in Texas to realize the truth in the writer's statement.

But immigrants aren't the only evil outcome of "free trade" agreements, there is of course the environment, labor unions, local culture, heck even middle class savings that evaporate when speculators ("investors") decide to pull out.

I enjoyed your link to the U.S. government's online trade calculator. (we do not question information provided by the U.S. governmnet, eh? (-: ). And clearly you are correct about the trade deficit growing. Which is one of the reasons why the Democrats took back Congress (or whats's left of it) last December.

That's right, "free trade" agreements hurt Usamerican workers almost as much as they hurt Mexican farmers.

Sure, GDP goes up and the superavit rises, but is it worth it?

Shouldn't there be more social oversight? Is a job at a maquiladora true compensation for a ruined lifestyle? Here's a link to some people who think not:

http://www.texasfairtrade.org/documents/PeruFTA/PeruFTA_FactSheet.pdf

These are the questions that you're dogmatic "free trade"ism avoids, and while you continue to point fingers at "naive idealists" and drunk campesinos after some "chicha" (which is kinda bigotted I might add), the world keeps on spinning. Rest assured that the leftists in power and on the ground in America today acknowledge the points you are making, and they still disagree with you.

Now I've gone and gotten all over the place again, apologies readers of this fine blog. Let me end with a Pop Quiz for Justo and BL:

Which country's trade superavit with the US increased by 8 $billion in the last two years?

And the winner is... Venezuela, for magnificent oil prices!

One more:

What was Chile's driving force in a stupendous 1.5 $billion increase in those same two years?

Another natural resource unrelated to industrial development! The winner is Copper!

12:55 AM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

Cortisona, are you trying to pull a Condorito with me?, I almost made a “plop” with your pitiable comments. It is very easy not to “conveniently” look at the whole context and pick on the few things that went wrong when a policy is implemented. I don’t know Mexican economy to discuss your point but in Bolivia farmers will not need to worry if a FTA is implemented. Never less, a Mexican friend just recently commented me that the shit almost hit the fan in that country because “corn” tortillas prices were rising up; I guess FTA did not hurt corn farmers as much as you think.
Your Pop Quiz actually hurts your point of view, you should learn from your body Grindiota that writes a lot of KK without saying nothing concrete; those avoiding being whip like you are about to be.
If you go to Venezuela you will find out that it is really “flooded” with foreign goods, especially US made. They do not have any real industry other that the hydrocarbon one; they do not even produce enough toilet paper, bottle water or food for their own people. The only thing they export ire, mostly unrefined petroleum and bolivarian fascism. So, you clearly gave an example where the local industry is inexistent and their markets are full or foreign goods without FTA. Do you really thing the money the Venezuelans are obtaining do to their petroleum sales are going to their people’s pockets?; you should wander why there are more poor people in Venezuela after Chavez rising to power.
Chile is other case of study; they are smart enough to diversify their products, their markets and to protect their borders. They will not plum to death if something wrong, for Venezuela, happens to the price of oil. Or if they loose the US market for some reason; something that would be terrible for Bolivian industry in El Alto, Bolivia; were the present Regime consolidates its power, what an irony, don’t you think. In the other hand, we do not have a FTA with Chile and their products, thanks to unchecked contraband by “all” our governments, including the present one; are flooding our popular markets and competing with the little industry we do have. Go to Chile and try to find Bolivian made products that directly compete with Chilean ones, if you find anything; it will be a dry stream instead of a flood.
Are there acceptable answers for your little pop quiz? I believe that the “teacher” position in this blog has being proven to big for you.

10:08 AM  
Anonymous matedecoca said...

I think His Excellency George Bush's trip to Latin America has been a stunning success. Not only has be articulated so eloquently our ties of friendship with that great nation, but has demonstrated the great level of help that the United States has provided us throughout the years.

Just by reading the joint press conferences of President Bush with his colleagues, one understands the depth of gratitude they express for their friendship to the United States.

Our future lies there.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Cortisona, thank you for admitting that “The Democracy Center’s” allegation was inaccurate just the way I proved it to be. I was going to respond to your post but I realized that BL did a great job and no further comment is necessary.
Some kind of rectification by the Center would have been necessary but I guess their concept of professional ethic is also distorted.
My objective has been accomplished. I am convinced that after this embarrassing exposure of the unethical manner in which some of the information is presented by the so called “Democracy Center”, its reports will now be subject to more scrutiny by many of the readers who don’t have a profound knowledge of this marvelous country but rely on websites like this one as a source of information.

11:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Justo, don't take it so personally; Jim has a stated policy of not commenting on posts on the blog. So why should he reply just to you? About your "objective" that you feel you have "accomplished", it sounds to me that this was just to be right about what you think. And your "concept of professional ethic" for Jim is that if he has a different point of view, then he has no ethics... Well "Mr." Perez, if it makes you feel any better, but I haven't figured out yet how come you got a name like Justo. Cortisona rocked and you and BL just plopped like Condorito. A que ahora exigeras ademas una explicacion? Plop plop y plop!!!

7:07 PM  
Anonymous pepe said...

Well, Justo, you failed the test. First of all, I provided the answers, so obviously the quiz had some other purpose. The real question was whether you are capable of looking at numbers and figures and not immediately injecting your ideology and coming to ideological conclusions.

Let's take a look at this Chilean economy which you claim is now diversified, as opposed to Venezuela. A quick note about Venezuela, I realize that its trade surplus is due to oil but this does not support your "free trade"ism. As I noted, Chile's trade surplus is only because of increased world copper prices, so both a "free trade" country and a "socialist" country have increased surplus with Usamerica only because of natural resources, absolutely nothing to do with economic policy. Oh wait, except that Hugo has helped increase world oil prices by bringing OPEC back to life. Hmmm, thats a good policy for Venezuela. I won't debate you about the poverty decrease in Venezuela, poverty has gone down a lot since 1998 and only rose in 2002 when the elites forced an oil strike that lost the country billions... but I doubt you will believe this and I don't think Venezuelans care what you think, they after all reelected Hugo by a landslide recently.

So back to Chile... I see for many of trade categories, US exports have increased. For example, take a look at cereals. In 2004, the US exported -47.5 $million worth of cereal to Chile. In 2006, this is now a +5 $million. Hmm, seems like Jim's assertion that "free trade" is disastrous for farmers is even supported by US government data!

Granted, some of the categories show a positive increase for Chile, but as I explained earlier, this doesn't necessarily mean better lives for Chileans. Have you asked a Mapuche about free trade recently? I bet not.

And of course the prize winner, COPPER. in 2004, Chile had a copper trade surplus of 730 $thousand dollars with Usamerica. In 2006, this has increased to 4.14 $million dollars. So as I previously said, Chile's trade superavit is mostly due to Copper, and world copper prices. Kinda throws your "free trade" ideas to shit, doesn't it? I'm not surprised that you took the typical right-wing route of manipulating my words out of their context to claim a pathetic victory.

I don't speak for Jim, and his answer may have been completely different than mine. But your words are exactly like those of Bachellet, Calderon, Garcia, or any other sucker for "free trade" governing a latin american country. And they are short sighted, incomplete, and just plain wrong.

That's why people protested against Bush last week, and that's why you and your buddies are no longer the dominant political class.

As anonymous above said, are you ready to Plop! or would you like another?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Ungenio.... I mean Pepe, it is clear that you are against free trade. If I were you, I'd REALLY try to find another country as an example to "tear down" "free trade"ism (as you call it)because everything you are saying about mine is simply absurd by any standard. Do you homework!

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really anonymous? the numbers clearly show that cereal and other farmers have lost income massively since Chile signed the agreement with the US. Whether the increase in other economic activity justifies this is a judgment call, but I think its absurd that you can't present your arguments rather than engaging in ad hominem.

The numbers also clearly show that most of the increase in trade surplus for Chile is due to Copper, which has experienced astronomical price rises in the past years. I haven't seen numbers for Chile's other "free trade" partners, but I would speculate that this also holds true. So as far as I see, the trade surplus which Justo and BL were so proud of is caused only by a natural resource, same as Venezuela and Bolivia. Care to discuss that with numbers? If my statement is absurd, it should be fairly easy for you to demonstrate based on the US government trade numbers, no? You did after all have enough time to write one paragraph, why not two?

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