Thursday, November 29, 2007

Bolivia: A Way Back to Being a Nation

After living a decade of my life in Bolivia I am still an outsider. I always will be. My passport is blue, not dark red. My tongue will always botch-up Spanish. An even though my children are Bolivian, I am a gringo, with eternal limits on my ability to understand this place where I live. Nor is it my place to tell Bolivians what to do. I am an observer.

But anyone looking honestly at the events of the past week here has to recognize that Bolivia is a nation on the edge of a precipice. More than one journalist has quoted me this past year saying, "Never underestimate the ability of Bolivia to look like it is about to careen over the side of a cliff, and then not do it." Well, the possibility seems less remote now.

None of the major leaders or movements in this country today is looking for consensus. Instead, each is preparing for battle, readying the armaments of political war.

The President is pressing forward to adopt a new national Constitution through a process that now completely excludes the opposition and any meaningful dissent. The Constituent Assembly process has started to look more cartoonish by the day.

The main opposition party has acted out a strategy, for more than a year, intent entirely on blocking legitimate change. It has played the game of making the Constituent Assembly impossible, and then trashing it for being dysfunctional.

The Governor of Cochabamba talks democracy but then calls on the military to rise-up and sends his employees into the streets on motorcycles with sticks to deal with those who don't share his point of view.


To be sure, I could go on and name others acting in similar ways, but it is sufficient to say that there are so many people hell bent on pushing Bolivia over the edge right now that finding people and institutions to blame is pretty easy work.

There are really only two ways forward right now. One is political battle, the results of which are impossible to predict but, as we have seen over and over, aren’t likely to be peaceful or pleasant. The other is some kind of initial steps toward compromise – an agreement, at least, not to jump together into the abyss.

Here are five ideas that I think are important to that way forward, none of which will work unless they are taken together and agreed to by all the major sectors and actors:

1. The Constituent Assembly needs to be given one final extension to complete its work (3 months perhaps). It needs to convene somewhere other than Sucre, where its work has been rendered permanently impossible. All parties need to agree to participate and MAS needs to commit itself firmly to the rule that no constitution can be approved by the Assembly without a 2/3 vote.

2. The opposition parties and MAS need to make a genuine commitment toward reasonable compromise on the key issues. That might begin with an agreement to bring the proposed constitution to a national ballot in two parts. The first would be the articles on which there already is a reasonable consensus, or at least 2/3 support, and there are some. The second could be a package of articles that have 51% support, but short of 2/3, such as Presidential re-election. To satisfy Sucre, a third measure could allow a national up-or-down vote on moving the capital, and let them make their case.

3. All sides need to agree to stop bringing out their respective mobs to either "stop" or "protect" the Assembly. Attacks should also cease on media and public offices.

4. All sides should stop calling for the various resignations of the other. From Manfred to Morales there should be an agreement that those elected in 2005 should serve out their full terms. Without that, and a serious toning down of the mutual attack rhetoric, all sides will be driven to their most extreme and least productive behavior.

5. The governors of all nine Bolivian departments, the President and the Vice President, and the mayors of the major cities should appear together before the national media to declare that, while deep differences remain between them, they are committed to a unified nation and a peaceful way forward. The people of Bolivia need that a lot right now.

Just to be clear, none of this is likely to happen. I still kind of hope that Santa Claus will show up here next month too, but that doesn't mean I'll wait up for him Christmas Eve.

Gone are the days when the Catholic Church could act as mediator and call all sides to dialog. No other person or institution in Bolivia today has the credibility or clout to do so either. The leaders who would need to genuinely make this happen would have to initiate this on their own. But it is pretty clear that each of them has made the calculation that it is time to stoke their respective bases' hatred and darker passions; not to be peacemakers.

No, this vision of a way back from the brink (and there are certainly others) is not a prediction of how things might go. More, it is a means of measuring how far we are from that here. And that is a very worrisome thing.

77 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shultz,
You need to stop this moral equivalencing between MAS and the opposition, namely PODEMOS. MAS is trying to put through a new constitution according to popular demands and based on proposals put forth by social movements. They have not done so unproblematically, but there has been a good faith effort. In doing so MAS has had to try to reach compromise with a conservative opposition that refuses to act in good faith and would rather fracture the CA, leading us to our current crossroads. As Pablo Stefanoni has stated, the conservatives and elites are only making their own prospects worst by not coming to a compromise with MAS. With or without a compromise or MAS, the overwhelming majority of marginalized, indigenous, and urban poor will force change in Bolivia- no one is going back to the 1990s status quo Bolivia's traditional political parties were comfortable with. Jim, you would do better writing in solidarity with the majority of Bolivians rather than your insistence on the stance of moral and ethical elitism, as if any of us are above the fray as "observers". Go ahead, expose the hypocrisy and racial bigotry of the crowd lurking in these comment sections for what it is and where it fits in Bolivian politics. Take a lesson from Venezuela Analysis http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/.

9:48 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Jim, up until this past week I had some hope for political discourse in Bolivia. That is all but gone now. Morales stole the Assembly preventing the opposition assembly members from voting. He stole the tax issue prohibiting the opposition legislators from entering to vote. He stole the vote on whether to move the assembly from Sucre (a measure that might actually have passed). His thugs have the infamous torture and beheading of two dogs.. okay, maybe thats legal in Bolivia, but the associated death threats against Costas and Marinkovic are absolutely not legal. Each of these items should be brought to a court and people should go to jail. Why won't this happen? Because there is no court! The Constitutional Court Constitutional Court is impotent to take any action having been emasculated by the current regime. After constant persecution by MAS following unpopular rulings, two of five justices resigned in October. Of the remaining justices, two are interim filling posts vacated after previous resignations. Regarding other courts, 4 out of 10 Supreme Court Justices have been hand picked by Morales and illegally appointed by Presidential decree. Undoubtedly lower courts are equally tainted. Long story short, there is no process of checks and balances on Morales within the government structure. He is acting with impunity at this point. I thought that some of the further right leaning commenters were being reactionary before, but in light of recent events, Heil Morales! BTW, sorry you're getting it from both sides. I disagree with the first commenter. I think you've been extremely generous with the Führer's party ;-)

10:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch the comments on this post, they'll be telling as to why Bolivia is so polarized.

Morales romantics will shudder at any questioning of his tactics this past week. "Solidarity" will be defined as never question anything in public, just keep applauding.

Then the usual anti-Evo fanatics will discard any possibility that the opposition provoked this crisis deliberately. And oh yeah, there's not a spark of anti-indigenous racism in any of this. Uh huh.

Doctrine vs. doctrine. If you take away the ideological differences involved and and just look at as a matter of democratic style, the fanatics on both sides look pretty much the same.

Oh yes, personal attacks are a must.

10:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Jim, you would do better writing in solidarity with the majority of Bolivians rather than your insistence on the stance of moral and ethical elitism.."

In other words, dude, drink the Koolaid.

11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Parece que el MAS declara temporada abierta contra los chapacos en la CPE al codificar el ama sua, llulla, k'ella en ella...pobres chapacos, tan orgullosos estaban de su flojera y ahora la han vuelto anti-constitucional.

Will Evo actually carryout a final solution on the Tarija mostly k'ara population? Will the Chapacos fight hasta las ultimas consecuencias for their right to be lazy???? Doesn't this violate their custom and traditions??

-chasqui

ps :)



Viva Bolivia Carajo!

11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently none of you know what "(un)problematic" means. The use refers to MAS making mistakes, having flaws, and not always following through on what organizations and groups they claim to represent want of them. If you followed the disputes between MAS and the Pacto de Unidad, you would be aware of how complicated this moment truly is rather than delusions of a monolithic MAS government. In Shultz's retreat to unbiased "observer", he neglects the substance of debate and its material and social consequences for Bolivians. It is easy to be "fair" and chastise all sides equally when actions are taken away from their social and historical context. I wish Shultz would do some of the hard work of analysis, a job that would assist him greatly in the work of conflict resolution and democracy building I know he is interested in promoting.

12:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another 3 months extension?? yeah 3 more months of hefty salaries, 3 more months of heavy coca chewing for the extremely extrenous work of raising your hand in sheep like obedience. Sure how about sliming down the circus to 1 rep per department and kicking the rest of useless leeches off!!!!

8:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman mentioned that the beheading of dogs might be legal in Bolivia. Can that possibly be correct? That would be way beyond savagery.

By the way, has anybody seen in Youtube the way those poor animals were beaten and decapitated in front of a boisterous crowd? I couldn't watch the whole thing; it was horrible.

I hope PETA views it and denounces such horror in the strongest possible terms.

9:24 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

We need to be careful with the use of the word "nation" as it denotes a certain type of political community. I don't think Bolivia qualifies as a "nation" anymore. National identities are constructed cultural artifacts, not "natural" forces of history (or genetics). After the Chaco War, Bolivia's middle class constructed a national mythology (as did many countries in Latin America) that tried to build a modern national identity. In the process, "Indians" became "peasants" (stripped of their ethnicity, they became a social class). In the 1990s, Bolivia initiated reforms that recognized a plural (rather than homogenously "Bolivian") society. That project has collapse, giving way to a variety of irredentist movements. In short, Bolivia has become "Balkanized" into a number of regions seeking autonomy. The constituent assembly isn't trying to find a legal document to govern a nation: It's biggest challenge is to define what is the political community known as "Bolivia."

9:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, Jim. Offer a few possible solutions for meaningful dialogue and constructive compromise, in the hopes of a unified Bolivia, and you get rage dished back at ya! What you wrote, as you yourself admitted, may be wishful thinking, but I agree with it. I'm pretty one-sided in this whole debate, and have strong opinions about what's going on. But shouldn't the people get to decide? And shouldn't their decisions--whether they be anti-INRA or pro-Morales--be respected and upheld? To have that happen without leaders on either side changing the rules as they go? Without using bullying tactics and violence? Seems like a better plan to do it your way than to just rage at each other and jump into the abyss. Well said, Jim.

11:09 AM  
Anonymous tocayo said...

First I want to express my admiration for Jim Schultz for having the audacity to set up an office of the Democracy Center in Bolivia, a country that has almost no experience with democracy. What a task he has given himself!

As a Northamerican living in Peru for the past 2 decades, I can understand and sympathize with the despair - apparently much more than any of the authors of the first 7 comments posted - that is reflected in his November 29th blog.

While I follow Bolivian politics (and read this blog) only sporadically, I believe that Jim has been a supporter of Evo for a long time, and imagine that he has grown frustrated over time with the inability of Evo’s government to implement reform and more recently, that he has been shocked by the undemocratic procedures resorted to by the government in its effort to adopt a new national Constitution. These positions are certainly reasonable for a person representing something named “the Democracy Center.”

This “Venezuela Analysis” web site admired in an anonymous comment currently has an article on its home page called “Venezuela Knows What It's Doing,” written by the deputy chief of mission of the Venezuelan Embassy in the U.S. So is this web site promoting democracy or supplying a vehicle for government propaganda?

In the spirit of this blog being a forum in search of solutions to Bolivia’s difficulties, rather than a critique of the opinions of Jim Schultz or Hugo Chavez, I would like to add my thoughts on what Bolivia might do to move forward. These may or may not be pollyannish: 1) hold workshops and other educational programs on inter-cultural understanding and tolerance that will contribute to increased understanding/tolerance between Bolivia’s highland and lowland cultures, and 2) consider inviting appropriate outside organizations (NGOs? OAS reps.?, -- preferably persons from Bolivia’s neighboring countries), to conduct these programs and to mediate solutions.

- tocayo

11:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd just add one proposal: Get Evo Morales to think and act as the President of all bolivians, without differences but mainly without any sense of revenge. As long as Evo keeps fueling with anger and hate all possible democratic debate, there will be no chances whatsoever to move ahead. He must show at least and for once a humble sign for reconciliation. Meanwhile and as before, bolivians could be ready for another option.

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tocayo:
Yes indeed you are not familiar with Bolivian idiosincracy.
What you are asking is mediation as if cambas and collas need to learn from each other.
The issue is different, it is economic. The rich elites of arab, yugoeslavian and iberic roots, do not want to be let that power go.
They have acquired so much land mostly in corrupted ways, and they enjoy a standard of living that they would never have even in the USA. They are promoting racism false nationalism, and have the support from outside empires who prefer to have puppets like Tuto Quiroga, or neofacists like Reyes Villa.
To those people nobody is going to teach them equality, fraternity, or basic human rights.
Sorry, but as long as those vultures Civicos run the newspapers, radio and TV they will continue inspiring hatred, racial superiority, and corruption.

12:17 PM  
Anonymous galloglass said...

I agree with Miguel and have thought for a long time that "Bolivia" is an artificial construct. It is a historical accident. When we think of Italians, the French, the Japanese, or the English, we think of long histories, common values, and shared cultures. There is precious little sense of "Bolivian-ness." Most identify themselves as Cambas, Chapacos, Aymara, or some other designation. All would be better served if they went their own way.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For tocayo: by what measure do you say that you can "sympathize" and "understand" better what's happening in Bolivia than those who comment in this blog? As an apparent gringo living in Peru, I'd like for you to try to venture into "poncho rojo" territory such as Achacachi and foster a "culture of understanding." You'd risk losing you head like a dog. (literally)

Ano 12:17: Racist! (plus boring)

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Ginger said...

If Santa Cruz and the other media luna provinces did secede from Bolivia and paid some type of exit fee or made an arrangement for the payment of royalties on natural resource income, maybe there could be some kind of compromise short of civil war.

3:34 PM  
Blogger Tambopaxi said...

I concur with Anon 12:13's forlorn plea to Morales (without the "humble" part): Try, as elected President of the entire country, to keep the entity known as Bolivia in one piece.

That said, I share most commenter's gloomy assessment that Bolivia, as currently structured may not last much longer. What happens next is anyone's guess, but all appears to be headed toward some sort of divorce between the media luna and the rest of the country. Hope it's reasonably peaceful but that's probably another forlorn hope...

4:04 PM  
Blogger BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

Jim, you aren’t a simple observer on this, “estas metido hasta las patas y vas a pagar por ello”. But I can understand you trying to clean your hands alter seeing the light at the end of the tunnel you helped rise with your violent way to create democracy from the ground up. You just never imagined that the “ground” will rise against your protégé, you well now that those assassinated in Sucre were the same you elevated to martyrdom in October 2003, their blood are never going to wash from your hands.

It is incredible how fear can make people have some sense; your points 3 to 5 have actually good reasoning. But there is no need to move the assembly out of Sucre if everybody agrees to discuss all the points and the articles approval by 2/3 of the votes. You still don’t want to recognize it, the people in Sucre where blockading the constitutional assemble because the MAS majority in the assembly blockage their right to discuss the capitalia, they where not requesting the movement of the capital or else.

I will discuss furthermore any “good idea” you might have after your trainee decides to publicly nullify all the wrong doings his henchmen created since last Friday. Then we might have something to build upon to avoid a civil war.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

News flash: 2 dead in Cobija. By the time Evo's finished he'll make Goni look like a rank amateur.

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's have a civil war, and see what happens. After all the Costas, Percy Fernandez, Adbouds, Marinckovics and other lovers, will have the chance to do something practical besides crying in their paid media. Listen to the Percy and what you hear? A neonazi, a non hooded KKK.

Are you treatening Jim Shultz now? Some of the people who write comments about J.S are basically reactionary and typical of mercenaries who intimidate journalists, or later torture or make them dissapear. Are you forgeting people how you operate and then lie and cry against Evo government?

6:00 PM  
Blogger Threeshire said...

Alert from Blogosphere Language Police:
Jim writes of Bolivia "careening" towards the edge.
According to my dictionary (Oxford, not Webster - sorry about that) to "careen" is a nautical term which means the deliberate act of turning a ship on its side to scrape its bottom. Whether this happen to Bolivian politicians of all stripes is open to debate, but I don´t think that is what Jim meant.

6:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the "journalists" and media who lie and lie daily to incite hatred to Evo and his goverment. Very interesting!

UNITEL
Osvaldo "Pato" Monasterios
Principal Accionista del Banco Ganadero

Propietario de más de 10 mil hectáreas

Fue senador por el MNR.

RED UNO
Ivo Mateo Kuljis
Importante accionista del Banco Económico. Tres veces candidato a la presidencia por partidos de derecha, Ganadero. Dueño de varias fábricas, supermercados

Dueño de Universidad “Mateo Kuljis”

ATB
Principal accionista. Raúl Garafulic (padre).

Parte del grupo PRISA.
Ligada a ADN. Su muerte nunca fue esclarecido y se llevó consigo todos los negociados con Asbun y otros empresarios.

BOLIVISION
Principal accinista Tito Asbún.

Accionista y Ex Presidente del LAB.
Actualmente se encuentra prófugo de la justicia boliviana por los malos manejos del LAB.

PAT
Principal Accionista Carlos Mesa. Ex presidente de Bolivia
Se benefició ampliamente con recursos por publicidad de las empresas capitalizadas.

Apoyó abiertamente la capitalización hasta convertirse en Vicepresidente de Goni. Luego presidente.

RED ERBOL
42 radio católicas

10 canales de televisión

2 productoras de radio

2 agencias de noticias

7 librerías

imprentas

casas editoriales

1 sala cinematográfica
Las radios católicas han sido muy condescendientes con los gobiernos neoliberales porque estos les han permitido acaparar no sólo áreas de la comunicación, sino el control de unidades educativas, convenios tipo “fe y alegría”; disponibilidad de más de 5.000 ítems de educación fiscal, además el manejo de universidades y normales. Todo un super poder económico.

“CRISTIANOS”
Los “cristianos” por su parte cuentan con 12 estaciones de radio

10 canales de televisión
Es conocido el canal 27 (en La Paz) de propiedad de Eklesía, que apoyo con perfil bajo a Goni y abiertamente a Carlos Mesa llevando a la plaza a sus militantes cristianos con banderitas blancas.

PANAMERICANA,
Propietario: Miguel Dueri.

Dueño de Discolandia, Hotel Presidente, Casinos
Embajador de Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada en Emiratos Arabes, durante la primera guerra de EEUU con Irak.

La Razón, El Nuevo Día, Extra, editorial Santillana
La Razón fue financiado en principio por: Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, Fernando Illanes y Fernando Romero. Pertenecen al grupo PRISA
Fernando Illanes y Fernando Romero.llegaron a ser ministros de Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada en 1993.

El grupo PRISA, cuyo principal accionista es Jesús Polanco, propietario del periódico “El País” de España.

Santillana se benefició con los dineros de la Reforma Educativa.

Los Tiempos, El Deber, La Prensa, El nuevo Sur, El correo del Sur, El Potosí, El Alteño, El Norte de Montero, La Voz
Grupo Canelas _ Rivero

Alfonso Canelas le dijo al periodista Andrés Gómez, antes de despedirle del periódico “La Prensa”. “Andrés ya he perdido la confianza en ti porque desde el 6 de agosto tu caminas por otros rumbos y yo camino con este sistema y este Gobierno” (El Diario 5 de Febrero del 2003)

6:54 PM  
Anonymous SCGringo said...

Can anyone tell me how this new Constitution is going to improve life for Bolivians?

I am a gringo living in Santa Cruz for a few years now.
There are a lot of cambas and collas living here.
Some look browner than others but on the whole, I would be hard pressed to differentiate one from the other.
People are generally very friendly. In particular the people working in lower-paid positions - maids, taxi drivers, waiters.

I would like to see this country do better and I think economic progress is how it will happen.

I am not sure if things are better here or worse since MAS came to power.
Good: Lots more construction, cars on the road and influx of people (generally from the poorer altiplano). More people have more money.
Bad: Severe Diesel shortage, inflation (rice, meat, fruit & veg are all 10-20% more expensive), more traffic ;-)

Overall, things are not that bad except for the diesel shortage.

I know there is more money here for at least 2 reasons:
1. Money sent home from the thousands of Bolivians working abroad. I know someone working in Madrid making 10 times what she earned here.
2. Cocaine. Evo's smokescreen of valid indigenous use for coca leaf is a cover. There are a lot of people making LOTS of money out of cocaine right now. I'm not sure if this is good or bad but I am sure Evo is profiting from this.


Evo Morales has to go if there is to be progress for Bolivia as a country and not just for Evo's constituency.

If Evo is in power as a result of democracy then is democracy itself flawed?

7:30 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

I don't think tocayo is such a crazy dreamer. Short-term, it's hard to tell what will turn things in a better direction with regard to the current political crisis. But as unclear as it may be, there is always a long-term as well. And no matter what happens in the next few weeks and months, one thing Bolivia has to deal with in the long-term is the mix of divisions many have referred to here: regionalism, racism, classism.

I think all over Bolivia - yes, even in Achacachi - there are people who could serve as kind of critical mass for creating a culture of tolerance. Even better, a culture that truly embraces, celebrates and builds on diversity.

Workshops like tocayo talks about may well be part of the solution. I was recently at a gathering in Cochabamba sponsored by Taize, an internaional youth-oriented ecumenical monastery in France committed to reconciliation. 5,000 young people from around the world - mostly from around Bolivia - were there. I sat in with kids from the campo and the city, from Sucre, La Paz, Cochabama, Santa Cruz, and Beni, as they talked about what they were doing or could do in their own communities to promote reconciliation, justice, and peace in Bolivia. They also lived, ate, sang, and prayed together all week. I saw no animosity between them. They talked about the animosity they see on tv, but it never manifest itself between them.

I don't pretend that the same thing would happen if you sat a bunch of political leaders and media moguls down. But I think political leaders and media moguls are exactly the people from whom Bolivians need to wrest their national dialog. Peace scholar John Paul Lederach describes a model of "conflict transformation" that involves identifying key actors from the middle levels (neither political elites nor purely grass-roots) of all sides in a conflict, particularly those who have relationships both horizontally (across groups) and vertically (with elites and grass-roots folks), in ways that allow them to act as a kind of yeast that grows and allows the entire masa to rise. It has worked in much bloodier conflicts than this.

With regards to Bolivia being an accidental country and a false nation, I realize that the example of Yugoslavia represents legitimate fears as we watch events in Bolivia. But consider Belgium - a strange buffer-zone-turned-country between France and The Netherlands, made up Francophone and Flemmish compatriots who bicker and ridicule one another constantly. But not a bad place to live, either.

Finally, in complete and self-conscious contradiction to that spirit of reconciliation, I can't resist commenting on Bolivia Libre's comment (it's like picking a scab; I know I should leave it alone, but...). I finally get why BL is so obsessed with doing battle in the comments of this blog. Evo Morales is Jim Shultz's protégé?! Now, I know and respect Jim, and mean no disrespect to him when I say this, but that is the most delusional thing I think I've ever seen here. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read it, because the spit-take would likely have shorted out my laptop. It does, however, explain a lot. I recommend a strong dose of reality and a good night's sleep, Mr. Libre. Or, if you think it's that easy and you've got 10 years and a miniscule amount of grant money to spend, perhaps you could go take over a small country of your own. You could even start a blog about it. It's fun!

1:59 AM  
Blogger Montserrat Nicolás said...

Jim:

Dialogue about what?!

Best,

2:48 AM  
Anonymous BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

Ano 6:00 PM, only somebody as mischievous and hateful as you could think I will be threatening to harm Jim physically, of course, that is something you will do if he will not be in your side. I am said he will pay for his actions in the near future because those he supported and indoctrinate are going to bite his hand, just look at the first ano participant or at the last paragraph of Norman comments to get a clue.
I do have to thank you for appearing at 6:54 with your “list”, of the free press, that means, not under the control of the maSSist, that you and the regime are targeting. You do have a lot of “enemies”, how can you sleep at night, they might be hiding a camera under your bed.
Many journalists have passed to the fascist side, or we will not be having channel 7. Why don’t you comment about the pressure the government is having over the “opposition” channels to silence the journalist that denounce the regime, thus “FISURAS” ring a bell to you?
Dan, it is not my fault you only had the experience to have one mentor in your life, but I assure you a person can have more than one and each of them have different level of influence over the protégé. It is your lack of understanding on the meaning of the word that makes you feel my post was, as you put it, “delusional”. Evo, and better put, the maSSist regime, is in fact Jim’s “little girl”, it fits almost perfectly on how he dreams the world and democracy should be. Valiant poor and, supposedly, oppressed people fighting for a better life and taking over the decision making in their towns and the country, violently if it is necessary. His great disappointment is that these protégés turn to be the oppressors immediately after assuming power, and today they are killing the ones valiant poor and oppressed people that elevate them to power. It happened first with SEMAPA in Cochabamba and is happening now with Evo.
I am not a violent people as it might seam by my sarcasm and directness, I said things as I see and I am not afraid to bring up taboos; those I was ostracized when I compared the MAS party with the Nazis as soon as they took office; but know you can read opinions almost daily of this similarities. I see that the leaders of the opposition to Evo Morales have decided that he crossed the line were talking is not a resource, I also, personally thing he crossed the line. The only way we are not going into a full violent confrontation as a Country is if the maSSist abrogate the draft of the constitution they approved with blood in their hands and the laws they approved not allowing the opposition to participate using physical force. I don’t think this is going to happen, as Jim also puts it in a more “preoccupied” way. I just said it blatantly straight because, that is the way I am, direct.
HTTP://bolivia-libre.blogspot.com

3:21 AM  
Anonymous Get Over It said...

I see Bolivia Libre is still pimping for his own Blog here in the comments section. Hey, the only reason you seem to spend hours a day posting long rambling comments here is because no one visits your site. I checked it out, impressibe 14 comments since August. What is that B/L about 1 for every 500 posted on this Blog? But of course, half of them are from you.

You live in quite an illusion of your own self-importance. Maybe you should ponder why you have no serious audience. But keep on posting. What else do you have to do with your time, no?

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Justo Perez said...

Today is truly a great day for democracy. The Venezuelan people leaded by their courageous university students caused an enourmous defeat on Chavez's attempts to establish a constitutional communist dictatorship. The obstacles they had to overcome are impressive but at the end, they peacefully commanded the opposition to a great moral victory that will define the beginning of the end of Chavez and his corruption. This too should become a guiding light for the Bolivian young people to step up and become the moving force that restores democracy in Bolivia in a peaceful manner. Democracy is alive and well in our continent. Hurray for the Venezuealan students and their brave leaders!

1:46 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

yawn.... the country has always been split... the issue now as one wag put it is that the ones demanding separation from bolivia will be evo leading el alto +oruro and chapare. lol

11:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s funny, all this bashing at Libre’s comments without commenting on his position sounded like some of you wanted him to shut up and made me taking him more seriously, I checked out and he is right, in the last months there are several mass media commenter’s that publicly compare the MAS regime to the Nazi regime directly and indirectly.

I will also like to have an explanation of what happened to the PAT program “Fisuras”.

2:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are serious, explain how MAS is facist or nazi?
It would be so much easier for you to find similarities between th regimes of Banzer, Pinochet, Videla, Somoza, Stroesner, and other Hitler types.
You have to stop lying, and trying to convince yourself that if you write lies, they will eventually sund like facts.
Bolivia libre, boli nica, do something useful, get a real job and stop using propaganda money from the real neonazis, the civicos, and neo facist the juventudes crucenisas and other creatures.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ano 8:15 AM, you ask how MAS is "facist" or nazi. For beginners, the vicepresident's haircut strangely resembles Hitler's.

;-)

OK, OK, don't blow your top off. Here's a similarity of the MAS with the nazis. Morales, once thin as a rail during his cocalero days, is ballooning to the size of one of Hitler's favorites, Goering (who during his younger days as a Luftwaffe ace was thin himself).

;-) ;-)

OK, OK, seriously. There are 2 major similiarities between MAS and the nazis/fascists. The MAS is a racist government who (the Croats are Morales' Jews), like Hitler, is elected democratically yet desires unlimited power. Another major similarity is MAS' economic policies with the nazis: price controls, minimum wages, nationalization of industries; in essence, the suppression of economic freedom.

It's funny how leftists can only recall dictators from the right such as Pinochet et al but say nary a word about leftist dictators such as Castro. I call it "tearing up the left eye."

9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the Croats are Morales' Jews"

Yeah thats the case. Just when I think these comments can't get any more retarded on this blog I stand corrected. Those poor Croats victimized throughout history like in Jasenovac

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp


I wonder if the Croats and Germans living in Bolivia have any links to the fugitives who fled after WWII to escape prosecution for war crimes.

This is a warning to the people of Bolivia. Unless you do something immediately, these Croatian facists are gonna break up Bolivia like they did Yugoslavia. Yhey are already rolling out the propaganda machine like they did during the Balkan war. And like you can see from history they won't stop at nothing to achieve their aims. Just ask the jews, serbs and gypsies of Jasenovac

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ano 12:26, if it were up to Morales and his henchmen, they would tear apart the Croats and all light-skinned souls the same way you butcher the English language.

You hate the richest and most productive group -- which happen to be immigrants -- simply because of envy: they work hard, they are prosperous, and they don't feel ashamed of it.

;-)

You have an extreme case of the "Fourier complex."

...An extreme form of egalitarianism in which the believer is prepared to accept, or actually wishes for, widespread poverty, possibly even starvation, as the consequence or means of making the material well being of every member of society equal...

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:MUQy1GBzbZIJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_complex+fourier+complex&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us

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Blogger BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

Ano 8:15 AM; there are tremendous similarities among the National Socialist, Nazy Party, of Hitler and the Movimiento Al Socialismo, MAS, or Mazist, party of Evo Morales. Both are nationalistic, both are populist, both have a violent and racist leader, both have a common, supposedly rich enemy, both played the democratic game participating in elections, both instigate street violence to get to power, both, Hitler and Evo where incarcerated for rioting, both have specific symbols to represent their parties in public demonstrations, one had the swastika the other has the whipala. Both have civilian zealots under they command used to “make their point” trough violence. The latter is something common among all fascists. But the Nazis and the MaSSis difference from the rest because of their racial agenda.

3:47 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Jim, having second thoughts?

All those barbecues with the foreign press corps, "working" with Forero (your words), angling to get that quote in what little press accounts make it into the US and Brit press. "suggesting" story lines and angles, "demystifying" Bolivia and Evo to the intrepid journos. Pass the Kool-Aid! The stuff at the bottom of the pitcher tastes real, real good.
In the end, you bought your own spin. The simple tale of the noble oppressed collectively rising up against the bad, bad, neo-liberal banking cabal, the oppressed vs. the oligarchs, Indigenous vs. post-colonial exploiters. Bad US drug policy vs. the poor exploited growers. The social movements against the corrupt traditional parties. Poor vs. Rich. erradication indigenous first president.

Everything else minimizing, distorting, or forgetting facts: Coca makes Cocaine, coca growers sell coca to cocaine cartels, Evo leads the growers, and is part of that trade. billions of dollars in investment in the complex gas business is a one-time opportunity not "cheap gas", that without foreign investment there would be no gas to sell, period.

Or for that matter, the fact that MAS leadership pretty much shares an unreconstructed Marxist (arguably Marxist-Leninist), anti-American, anti-capitalist ideology, discredited, obsolete, and plain stupid. What "subtle differences" exist are over whether they adopt the old-school Bolivian nationalist line, tribalist revanchism, or whatever post-modern concoction Garcia Linera thinks up.

Any surprise that the past 8 years they have preached both violent class warfare and racial revanchism? That the cocaleros, sindicatos campesinos, and Altenos, were and continue to be the base and shock -troops for Morales?. Committed through bonds of shared origin, and the Troskyist/syndicalist tradition to Evo. That this would not polarize a country, through ethnic, class, regional and ideological boundaries??

There is no inclusiveness in this MAS project, you either share its ideological beliefs and ethnic origin, or you are nothing.

4:46 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Nope, no racism here! Wow, this has been getting… interesting. Anon 12:26 – Question: What kind of “links” would the Croats and Germans living in Bolivia have to have to the fugitives who fled after WWII to escape prosecution for war crimes? What difference would it make? This is why many US Americans have difficulty understanding such openly racist attitudes. I’m of German heritage (as well as Irish and English). My ancestors arrived in the states in the very late 1800’s yet my father served in WWII in the US Navy just 50 years later. It’s been over 60 years since WWII. It’s been over 60 years since the last victim of Jasenovac. It’s been less than two weeks however since the CPE was passed in closed session, (public excluded, press excluded, opposition excluded), by considerably less than the required number of votes. Check it out at www.laconstituyente.org. You can download the Ley Convocatoria right there. It was written by the ruling party and yet they won’t comply with laws that they themselves wrote! Just a year ago after massive protests, they accepted that the CPE must be passed by two thirds (That would be 170 yes votes for the mathematically challenged). It didn’t happen!
I recommend that you review the following relevant articles:
Articulo 5.- (Número de Constituyentes).- [Hint: it’s 255, 2/3’s of which is 170. This is also where it states that all the members are equal.]
Articulo 11.- (Cesación y Pérdida de mandato). [Hint: none of the opposition lost their mandate]
Artículo 23.- (Sesiones).- Las sesiones serán de carácter público.
Artículo 25.- (Aprobación del texto constitucional).- La Asamblea Constituyente aprobará el texto de la nueva Constitución con dos tercios de votos de los miembros presentes de la Asamblea, en concordancia con lo establecido por el Titulo II de la parte IV de la actual Constitución Política del Estado.

6:08 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

p.s. If they ever do get around to publishing the CPE, I hope they use an editor and a spell checker this time. The Ley Convocatoria is an embarrassment.

6:10 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Well so much for my righteous indignation. I need to get my own proofreader. It does say "dos tercios de votos de los miembros presentes", so I suppose that if you can justify the exclusion of the opposition, you might be able to argue the point. Not real strong IMHO, but fortunately for Evo he's pretty much emasculated the Constitutional Court.

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