Developments on the Road to 'Division Day'
The rhetoric and acts of political polarization have continued to escalate in Bolivia in the last 24 hours, with new developments coming rapidly from across the country. Observers from all manner or organizations and press outlets have decended on Santa Cruz to witness what may or may not be the opening act of a Bolivian meltdown tomorrow. Here is a synopsis view of Bolivia on the road to 'Division Day'.Santa Cruz Set to Declare its "Autonomy" Saturday
Yesterday the "Provisional Autonomous Assembly" of Santa Cruz, a body assembled by civic leaders there, issued the statutes upon which it intends to unilaterally declare its autonomy from the national government on Saturday. Among its 155 articles are declarations that, effective Saturday: residents of the department will now be issued separate Santa Cruz identity cards; the department will form its own police force and no longer recognize the authority of the national police; and Santa Cruz department authorities will now control all issues concerning land reform. The statutes will be presented symbolically before a public gathering in Santa Cruz Saturday.
Evo Warns Against Attacks on the Police and Army in Santa Cruz
In a declaration Friday, President Morales warned that his government will not tolerate the division of the country or any of the threatened attacks against Bolivian police or soldiers in Santa Cruz. He did not make clear what steps he was prepared to take to prevent such attacks, or to block implementation of Santa Cruz's autonomy plans. On CNN he also blamed the U.S. Embassy here for "coordinating actions" aimed at destabilizing his government.
Indigenous Groups in Santa Cruz Plan Counter Protest
The Confederation of Indigenous Peoples of Bolivia (CIDOB) has announced that it will be organizing a counter protest in Santa Cruz Saturday to counter the rally by the Civic Committee there when it presents its new autonomy plan. "We are not going to obey [the Santa Cruz autonomy statutes] because it isn’t a law, a statute or a Constitution," the group's Vice-President, Pero Nuni, declared. "It is just a pamphlet that they [Santa Cruz civic leaders] have made."
MAS Opponents Set Fire to Jeep Carrying Documents
In Sucre yesterday, opposition groups to the government intercepted and set fire to a Jeep sent to recover files from the Constituent Assembly's headquarters there and carry them to La Paz.
Civil Society Leaders Call for Dialog
A voice calling for dialog between Bolivia's warring factions emerged yesterday from a group of respected civil society leaders from all major regions of the country. The group included the Defensor del Pueblo, Waldo Albarracín, his respected predecessor in the post, Ana María Romero de Campero, along with a variety of labor groups, journalist associations, religious leaders, and literary and arts figures. "The mechanism of dialog is the door that will allow us to leave behind confrontation and is the tale that will permit everyone to meet to reach solutions for all. This is a first call that we are sure has the support of the silent majority" said Albarracín.
US Embassy Issues Travel Warning
The U.S. Embassy in La Paz took the unusual step Wednesday of issuing a warning against travel to Bolivia: "The Department recommends that U.S. citizens defer non-essential travel to Bolivia at this time. U.S. Embassy La Paz is restricting the official travel of U.S. Government employees to Bolivia during this period. Since protests and demonstrations can break out with little or no notice, U.S. citizens in Bolivia should monitor local media sources for the latest developments. U.S. citizens should avoid demonstrations at all times and exercise caution."
Santa Claus to Bolivians: The Naughty List is Getting Bigger
In a news release issued from the North Pole, Santa Claus issued a warning to al of Bolivia's rival factions that he and his elves are monitoring the situation close and are able to make modifications in the naughty list up to the last minute before his Christmas Eve departure. "While Mr. Claus has no official position on the articles of Bolivia's proposed Constitution, he cautions all involved to use the coming holiday season to mellow out," noted the release. "And he is also not amused by the letter from Santa Cruz Civic Committee head, Branko Marinkovic, asking for a fresh supply of Uzis and ammunitions [see photo above]."
What to Watch for Over the Weekend
1. Will the 'autonomistas' in Santa Cruz try to seize offices of national government agencies?
2. Will there be confrontation between the two rival public gatherings in Santa Cruz?
3. Will the Morales government mobilize either the national police or the Bolivian army in reaction to any events in Santa Cruz Saturday?
4. Will the call for dialog, issued by national civil society leaders, get any traction and lead to the arrangement of a meeting between Morales and leaders from the eastern departments?
For ongoing updates on developments in Bolivia I encourage readers to visit Radio Erbol, which offers both written and broadcast reports on its web site. I think their reporting is independent, solid and balanced.
posted by The Democracy Center at 7:24 PM
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Bolivianos, apoyen a Evo y Hugo y ustedes tendrán la justicia social que ustedes quieren. Tienen la oportunidad de ser parte de una federación de estados socialistas con Hugo Chaves, un verdadero campeón de los pobres, y de la democracia y libertad, como su presidente. Venezuela no puede tolerar que esta pasando en Santa Cruz.
Babblefish much, BJ?
CARACAS (Reuters) - A video of a Gucci- and Louis Vuitton-clad politician attacking capitalism then struggling to explain how his luxurious clothes square with his socialist beliefs has become an instant YouTube hit in Venezuela.
Venezuelan Interior Minister Pedro Carreno was momentarily at a loss for words when a journalist interrupted his speech and asked if it was not contradictory to criticize capitalism while wearing Gucci shoes and a tie made by Parisian luxury goods maker Louis Vuitton.
"I don't, uh ... I ... of course," stammered Carreno on Tuesday before regaining his composure. "It's not contradictory because I would like Venezuela to produce all this so I could buy stuff produced here instead of 95 percent of what we consume being imported."
video clip
Jim: Please show me the video of Branko asking for Uzis. When has Branko ever made a statement that could be construed as calling for violent revolt? You´re lucky libel laws aren´t too strict in Bolivia. I was in the plaza today...looked like a mass of people on a hunger strike...blanco, moreno, chino, cambas, chapacos, etc...peaceful civil disobedience...aren´t the you all for building democracy ¨from the ground up¨? Not when you´re a hypocrite.
The question is : How far is Bolivia from a Civil War ??
No me sorprenderia que la Embajada en La Paz, decida trasladar sus oficinas a Santa Cruz el dia de manana.
...and this is a very interesting analisis:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/world/americas/15bolivia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Hi Jim,
I already sent an e-mail inviting you to have some of your blog posts published in a french "citizen's journalism" website, observers.france24.com, but I did not receive any answer to my proposal...
So here goes, the mail I've sent to the democracy center's website on the 7'th of december (there weren't any "comments" available in your blog then)
All best, good job with the blog..
Hello Mr. Shultz,
I would like to invite you to participate in The Observers web site,
of the french news channel France24. We would be honored if you'd
agree to be one of our "observers".
The observers are valued contacts of France 24. They're our "citizen
correspondents".
We're not asking them to produce any content. They're only our contact
on the field. People we, or our readers, can contact when something
happens in the country they live in.
The best way to understand how this new web site works is by visiting
it: observers.france24.com
If you're willing to become an observer on this site, I'll create your
profile page, which will look like this one:
http://observers.france24.com/en/profile/antonova_maria
Also, I read your Blog Bolivia about the protests in Cochabamba, we
would like to publish some excerpts of it as well.
So, what do you think? we'd very much like to have you on board.
All the best,
Cristiano Fagundes
(regional editor for The Observers - Latin america)
Santa Claus to Bolivians: The Naughty List is Getting Bigger
Are you trying to be funny?
This paragraph shows that European journalists don’t care a shit about Bolivia’s problems. What are you doing there, anyway? Are you a CIA agent? I am sure you are..
I too asked santa clause two cholitas cos my maid left to spain, as far as the cambas I think they are nuts, and they will get their asses kicked, Jim is santa bringing my present???
P.S. when can I buy a poncho??
Soto, I'd be very surprised if the US Embasy made such a move. Despite lies by Morales (what happened to "ama qella"?), they have remained neutral throughout this entire process. As a US citizen and strong Morales detractor (really, I'm a detractor of anyone who calls for my death), I see the move by the prefectos as being every bit as illegal and illegitimate as the constitution ramrodded through by the MAS. I suspect the embassy takes the same view and will provide no support whatsoever to the move. The move has normal Santa Cruz citizens very nervous and on the edge. I've had several ask me if I think that the US will get involved.
If someone can explain to me why the prefectos move to unilaterally declare autonomy should be respected, please do so. I've already done my research on the constitution and have no doubts there.
To Fagundes, is it true that Brazilians take it by the ars.
are you a favelado too
Shame on the ignorants who send junk email such as brazilians, cholitas, sex, etc.
There are so many blogs and forums for that, please have some respect and leave this page alone.
As usual the thugs who think freedom of expression means freedom of stupidity.
Please do not mess up this page. Thank you.
There was a quote in a New York Times acticle published today December 15th (Bolivians now Hear Ominous Tones in the call to Arms)that makes the point that Jim continues to miss. This isn't a battle between the whites and the indians. It is a battle between one group of invaders, who happen to be native americans, who think they have a right to another regions land and resourses.
"Evo wants a totalitarian Aymara regime, said Amalio Siye Ramos, 51, a leader of the Chiquitano ethnic group. The Chiquitano,Guarayo, Guarani," he continued "mean little to him."
Another Cruceno of indigenous decent told me " if a Colla doesn't crap at your door when he enters, he'll do it on the way out. Evo is just like any Colla, if he has something he'll give it to a Colla, not to us."
I know Jim wants to make this a story about racist, greedy white people, but that is not what this is.
Morales and MAS have maneuvered the new constitution into a difficult place for the media luna.
If an illegal process was followed to draft this constitution, should the media luna prefects participate in the vote on the constitution or not? If they vote and a majority in all of Bolivia votes to approve the constitution, then they signed onto the process but if they boycott the election, the new constitution will be approved anyways.
The only two "winning" options for the media luna prefects are to lead a strong opposition to the new constitution that results in an electoral victory or boycott the process and fight to refuse the implementation of the new constitution. By the way, are Venezeualan vote counting machines being used for Bolivian elections and is the electoral process controlled by the MAS centralized government or by the local prefects?
Jim is right, its about race, the funny thing is that there is no white people at Boliva, all of them are mixed race,unless the foreigners, off course. and to the fuck whose takling about the kollas, I bet you are brown, that is why you hate the Kollas cos you feel threaten kind like the chicanos and the afro americans at the US- that is why they fight a lot, on the other hand the white people doesnt even know they exist, unless for the tacos and the cajun food
I had a bet with a friend some 6 months ago that when the CA finally came out with a constitution the prefects in the oriente would make a call for autonomy… & here it is. Symbolic gesture or not, it’s another paving stone they’re laying in the road to most of us know where.. More to the point this act signals the first shedding of their mask, a mask of actually wanting to cut a deal, to be involved in the process of change yeah yeah. Between that option, and one of making a dash for… (what, where, with who..??? well give’em time the guys gotta do some thinking on this yet the plan is big you see..), a shame that they couldn’t muster the courage to go for the tougher (& actually only) solution. Something that involved them giving sumfink in return for sumfink else, bizarre a concept though this may sound. But neither courage nor vision – despite the “cambas orgullosos y valientes armense” BS - has ever really been a hallmark of the opposition leaders. Much easier to scare the shit out of everyone, the Boliviano has a habit of falling for ingenious storylines & ventas de motos & aint ready to lose it quite yet.
So, as Andy says, they signed onto the process but let’s all hide our heads under the pillow, they really tried their best to get a deal, yup they voted in the CA & Autonomia national referendums coz they ofcourse believed in both, yup they offered to put loads on the table, but the new constitution is a hellish document that’s gonna make the sky fall on our heads, so yes best to do things on their own there & fuck everyone else.
Oh, btw, it’s just a coincidence that your own gas, land, army, police force, political status etc = the booty & the things needed to keep a hold of the booty…
Yup, methinks I’ll make a break for it too.. right outta this bullshit.
Jack
FYI, apparently a bomb went off on the sixth flor of the Palacio de Justicia today. From the looks of the destruction, it wasn't a fire cracker.
how many cambas died? hope all of them, live the kollas and aymaras, I love their mines - thanks to all of them - dead to all the cambas - and its followers.
Evo you are my heroe
The disgusting and pathetic video of the venezuelan minister represents what socialism is all about in Latin America. Claim to defend the poor while getting filthy rich. Speak against the "oligarchs" while wearing Gucci shoes. Luckily, the "pink tide" has been mortally hit and is about to be swept away by its own incongruences...
The picture used by the DC in this last post is by no means representative of what the media luna is standing for. The DC staff probably spent a couple of days looking for this graffiti. The picture shown in today’s edition of El Deber really captures the current political moment which is not about a sole radical idiot writing a graffiti about violence in a lost wall but about HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of citizens meeting peacefully and democratically to tell the government and the world that they will not be part of an illegal constitution “approved” by a few people that didn’t even know what they were approving because they hadn’t even read the document. They are not willing to abide by a constitution written only to insure that Mr. Morales enjoys an enormous amount of power and, of course, his permanency in power. I have not heard one representative of the media luna speaking about secession or independence. It’s all about obtaining the autonomy they deserve and need to continue making the region prosperous for its citizens.
As always, the “Democracy” Center shows its support for this obscure totalitarian project called MAS (we all know the reason) and not for the “grass roots” movements it claims to work for. Shame on you!
Mr. Morales trashed an incredible opportunity to pull Bolivia from its chronic state of chaos but instead he chose to impose his narrow totalitarian vision of the world in which all Bolivians are ignorant, poor and easily controllable.
Justo,
Here in Santa Cruz I recognized the graffiti as the one on the wall across the street from the Comite Civico office (I live nearby), and if you live here and don't hear this crap everyday from people, you might get the wax in your ear checked amigo.
Amen to Anonymous 3:58's outing of the deceitful claim above that the "DC staff. . .spent . . .days looking for this graffiti".
Also group the balance of the above -referenced wild unsupportable claims within said post and disregard them for the disinformation in service of a de facto rebellion by racist rebels that it is because:
1) That neofascist lackey, "Perez", cannot prove he knows what was read or not read by the brave Bolivians who fled Sucre (after neonazi thugs violently put their lives at risk) before they voted in their lawful assembly in Oruro.
2) Only an ostrich will claim that the "picture used by the DC in this last post is by no means representative of what the media luna is standing for". The Internet is a depository of pictures, videos and articles documenting the opposite (as evidenced and not limited to occasional links in this fine blog): The call to arms by the neofascists and their violent acts to repress and cause to cower any voice of the poor is a historical structural and attitudinal barrier to effecting social change, justice and equity in a democratic Bolivia.
3) That "[in]Justo Perez" has not "heard one representative of the media luna speaking about secession or independence" means he is clueless. One needs only to read the text of 155 articles comprising the "statutes" Jim referred to in his blog that is the basis of an independent government (with power to: legislate and seize or control natural resources)upon which the self-appointed/non-elected media luna insurgents base their attempt to preserve their racist privileges. Said "carta autonómica" has no basis in either the current Bolivian constitution or the one recently bravely passed for the citizenry's consideration at a forthcoming election.
Notwithstanding Perez's pathological falsehoods, the rebels' autonomy text establishes Santa Cruz as an autonomous department formally perpetuating the racist ogliarchy direction and control of an orchestrated, manipulated, vast reactionary movement brainwashed by control of mass media in the region to perpetuate fascism, regional prejudices, and hate crimes towards western Bolivians of indigenous extraction (in order to suppress those who migrated into said region).
This is key about what the racist fascists approved-without an election-in their glorified pamphlet/"statutes":
Article Six details the new "government"'s powers: including legislative power to have their own parliment; organization of autonomous public institutions; police independent of the central government; power to control and determine elections and their outcomes; control of land, agriculture, livestock, forests, national preserves, biodiversity issues, gas, petroleum, taxes, education, transportation, judicial authorities and it is not limited to the above.
Jim and many of the commenters miss the point with this constitution if they just focus on the Morales government and the Media luna leaders.
The point is that this constitution was fought for and drafted not by the government, nor Venezuela, but by indigenous social movements prinicipally those in the Pacto de Unidad, who have been fighting for many years to have a constitution that recognises the existence of indigenous peoples before the foundation of the State, truly allows them autonomy to have their customs and ways of living recognised and which ends an economic tyranny that only benefited a small few. This isn't rhetoric, I was there in Sucre when this pact de unidad put the first draft on the table for MAS to take forward. The indigenous peoples after all had a foreign model of governance based on individualism imposed on them by colonial powers and elites. This is what plurinational state means, ending the asumption that there is only one model for governance, one which many commenters here seem unable in their arrogance or wholesale colonised experience to admit as even possible.
The constitution also pulls together many of the demands made by progressive movements across the world, such as the demand for economic, social and cultural rights (recognised by the UN but not many States), the right to just trade, the importance of protecting and supporting small-scale producers, the right for women to have household work valued economically and much more.
It is also about weakening central power - the level of decentralisation in the MAS document is more than in the Santa Cruz statutes that don't recognise regional and indigenous autonomy - and most importantly includes weakening economic power by not allowing monopolies, huge landholdings etc. It would be interesting to hear why those who comment on this blog about MAS destroying democracy don't talk about the need for democratising economic power.
So please Jim, as another commenter mentioned let's end the moral equivalence between both sides. Of course they are both guilty of errors (and MAS has shot itself in the foot, been riddled with errors and rightly criticised) but what is at stake is much bigger and that is a profound struggle to decolonise Bolivia, end racism embedded in a State, challenge a small elite who have ruled only for themselves, and try to build a country where all are equally recognised.
Grindio, thank you so much for your virulent ad-hominem attack. It is truly an honor to be the target of your red rage. It is amusing to be called a “neofascist lackey” by someone like you. I believe you are looking at the mirror when you accuse others of fascism after it has been thoroughly demonstrated over and over in this blog that the only fascists in this story are the leaders of the MAS and their foreign ideologists sitting behind the scenes who are the ones really running the show (you know what I’m talking about ;I ). Oh! And of course the “lost” individuals like yourself.
The people of the media luna are totally entitled to their autonomy. If you had ever lived in Santa Cruz, you would understand what it feels to have to depend on the bureaucrats in La Paz to resolve any matter as insignificant as it may be. I don’t think you have lived in Santa Cruz so your opinion is quite meaningless.
I encourage you to overcome your dogmatism and try to find one single reference of independence in the “Estatuto” approved by the media luna leaders.
Anon 3:25 , again, please read the “Estatuto” that has been approved and will be presented to the people via a referendum. Yes, I’m sure you hear some radicals speaking about independence and bla..bla..bla but that is not was is in question. If we believe these radicals and make them mainstream we would also have to take the “Ponchos Rojos” cruelly beheading a couple of innocent dogs as representative of the people of western Bolivia. I don’t think so!
Noshitserlock, …….“The point is that this constitution was fought for and drafted not by the government, nor Venezuela, but by indigenous social movements prinicipally those in the Pacto de Unidad,” “……… this is a truly laughable comment!
……“The constitution also pulls together many of the demands made by progressive movements across the world,” …. Now that is more like it. This aborted constitutional project was written by foreigners to impose their totalitarian views to the Bolivian people.
……”It is also about weakening central power - the level of decentralisation in the MAS document is more than in the Santa Cruz statutes”.... This comment is truly the cherry on the pie. Yeah, right, that is probably why there were close to 500,000 “oligarchs” democratically and peacefully gathered in Santa Cruz celebrating their autonomy.
Autonomy for the media luna is a reality. There is nothing that can be done to stop it now. It could have been negotiated and included in the CA but Mr. Morales chose to invalidate the process by approving an illegal document that is now worthless. What do you think Presidents Bachelet and Lula are speaking about with Mr. Morales tonight? They are probably telling him “it is over dude, you had your chance and you blew it… now we don’t want a mess in the heart of South America so get your s… together.”…
Socialist stubborness never ceases to astonish me. Just days after the courageous people of Venezuela inflicted a huge defeat on Chavez’s attempts to turn his country into a “communist paradise”, the locals act as if nothing had happened.
Jim "Among its 155 articles are declarations that, effective Saturday: residents of the department will now be issued separate Santa Cruz identity cards; the department will form its own police force and no longer recognize the authority of the national police;"
Not true. This is just Morales propaganda.
Hmmm, if those provisions are MAS propaganda, then why are they included in the articles officially posated by Santa Cruz officials here?
http://www.asamcruz.org/Estatuto%20autonomicode%20scz.htm
You might want to do your homework, no?
Gridiot, don't you think it's rather hypocritical for you to criticize Santa Cruz (as well as Pando, Beni, Tarija, and Sucre) for wanting the same type of autonomy that your home state of California has with respect to the US federal government?
Well, it seems that most people writing comments in this forum are either paid by the central company, work for Goni, went to school in the US or Europe thanks to the money that their dad’s paid in spite of the sweat, blood and tears of the poor slaves in Bolivia.
Ignorant idiots who can not accept that Latin America including Bolivia and Santa Cruz are in the process of big changes. How much longer can the plutocrats believe that they will stay in power in Santa Cruz? It is time to move on, the world is running out of natural resources, people are too poor and unless the cinicos and neonazis kill most Bolivians, they have no choice but to return the land to the original owners. Costas, Marinkovic and other fascists should get used to the fact that distribution of land and wealth is imminent.
If you do not believe so do Bolivia a favor. Please either stay put in your little circles and keep dancing in carnaval, move to Miami, or forget about keeping your privilege.
If Jesus were alive who do you think would be siding with? You? I doubt it, you people are filthy rich, and still want more, while poor people are dying for lack of food, medication and education.
Anonymous 3:27 a.m. -
You're the one who needs to "move on". You need to stop clinging to failed socialist theories that have brought nothing but MORE poverty and misery, and frequently genocide - just look at Lenin and Stalin's Russia, Castro's Cuba and Mugabe's Zimbabwe.
And you need to lose this feudalist notion everything will be better when the poor get land. They don't need land, they need education and better jobs.
And who exactly are "the original owners"? Do mestizos count?
Unfortunately, both sides here are missing a key fact. Neither capitalism (as espoused in the Santa Cruz group) or socialism (as promoted by MAS and Morales) are consistent with democracy. One concentrates the resources into the hands of a few very wealth. The other concentrates the wealth into the hands of the State which is easily corruptible always tends toward increasing its own power. If Bolivia wants to take advantage of the incredible opportunity it has to provide an example for the world, it will take the best of the indigenous tribal values and the best of the national values (there are likely fewer here) and put them together in a constitution that promotes true freedom and growth, allowing for true plurinationalism with sovereign local self-government and a limited over-arching national government that protects the rights of all minority components. Otherwise, the hatred, vitriol, and racism will continue to divide the wonderfully diverse and powerful nation of Bolivia.
Jim u sound rather shrill and excageratted this time around.
People might be better served by reading Carlos Toranzo - a well respe cted and very sensible Bolivian commentator. In this article he responds to some foreign press headlines that talk about "separatism" (like Jim's "division").
Toranzo points out that Autonomy "simply means political decentralization within a unitary framework." And it is part of a project 150 years in the making, not some simple opposition strategy against Evo. What is at issue now, follows a long series of very significant arguments on federalism, direct election of prefects, administrative decentralization. These have directly gained momentum since the return to democracy. As Toranzo points out if Evo is a "reality" so is Autonomy.
And for all the ramblings here about the statute, US residents might want to look at who issues their drivers license, and where they are eligible to vote and for what offices.
If anyone actually bothered to read the statutes, a lot of it is not bad and actually progressive: there is indigenous autonomy (in line with the LPP), free meals for schoolchildren, a percentage split of hydrocarbon revenues, 50 to producing provinces, 40 to non-producing 10 to indigenous peoples.
And if you read most of it, would realize that most of it, is actually in line with Bolivia's constitution, laws, and legal thinking. It is much more coherent than the insane MAS-stitution. Whatever powers allocated to the department, are at most "co-equal" with the state. Seems to me that is where the bargaining should be over, what powers are reserved exclusively to the central government. And there might actually be a real Constitutional Assembly, where real issues are discussed.
Right on Mike W. Bolivia needs a shrewd person, one who really knows how to handle a Bolivia and all its diffrent way of thinkings and areas. Be it a man or woman, white or black, Indian whatever, putting aside the normal thinking of socialism or capitalism. One who is not told what to do from the outside or inside.
I guess we will never have or find that person, but it is nice to dream.
We, here in Bolivia are so uncertain of everyone else, that we hang our President. Another President has our sea ports taken away from us, because he wants to celebrate Carnaval "fiestas". I wouldn't even be suprized that one day the same people Evo Morales says he is trying to help out (mostly the Aymara Population) will turn on him and be his worst enemy.
De Cochabamba, Bolivia
"If Bolivia wants to take advantage of the incredible opportunity it has to provide an example for the world, it will take the best of the indigenous tribal values and the best of the national values (there are likely fewer here) and put them together in a constitution that promotes true freedom and growth"
Mike here has a good point, however exactly the opposite is happening instead of embracing, good values, what I have seen is a regression to the worst values, like uncontrolled burnings of farmlands and forests, lynchings under the justicia comunitaria umbrella in which several innocent people were murdered, animal sacrifices, even atempted human one's to "bless" a bridge under, construction, these things are ignored by the govt and I see no promoting of really useful values, like ancient farming techiques, moral values, revence for the land, what we need is more pragmatism like the japanese did when they met with western culture
adopted the best of booth and forged ahead.
If Bolivia wants to take advantage of the incredible opportunity it has to provide an example for the world, it will take the best of the indigenous tribal values and the best of the national values (there are likely fewer here)
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT KIND OF INDIGENOUS/ORIGINARIAN/NATIVE/TRIBAL FORMS OF GOVERNMENT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?
There are at least 30 different tribes. Well the largest is the Aymara.
BOLIVIAN NATIVE SELF-RULE was NONEXISTENT 500 YEARS AGO You would have to go back to 200 years before that to find the last truly "native" unitary control over the Titicaca/Altiplano area. Arguably the Classic-Tiawanako era was the last sucessful territory-wide organization of natives peoples.
WHEN THE SPANISH arrived, the territory was controlled by a Quechua-speaking Noble family from Cuzco (like the Al-Sauds) - that had conquered the mostly rural Aymara speaking Collas.
WE DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE AYMARA....and the Inka's made sure we would know even less - they changed their history. The Aymara were pretty much only left with their language.
The collas were bound by payment of taxes and manpower to the Lord of Cuzco, as they had been to their previous lords. In that sense the entire system of the rural Ayllus and tribute was a shared "Andean" value. But it meant that people were bound to the land and did not control the territory. That is why the Inka and later the Spanish, once they defeated the old lords, were able to assume sovereignity - and get tribute- of the territory without much resistance. It was mostly passive-agressive, mainly in keeping their own language, hating outsiders, and every 100 years or so having a melt-down.
IF YOU WANT TO GO NATIVE
What do you do? Ask to be annexed to Peru? Find a member of the Inka Royal Family to rule as King/Queen?? Whose laws?
There is no conception - no hard and fast rules - or ancient wisdom on how to hold power over a large scale territory - unless you count the Inka's, but they are Peruvian. The true "autonomy" to rule at the local level - the ayllus is there.
So where is this ancient wisdom found in the new constitution. They wrote in the five finger obligations....but how about the five fingered behaviors that get you the death penalty?
Most of the "indigenista" rhetoric out of the MAS-Titucion and the social movements seems straight out of the post-modern, identity politics/ethnic studies books of western college kids, Tristan Maroff Troskyism, or out of the Frantz Fanon school of post-colonial,anti-western relativism.
So, basically we have a contrived and largely symbolic "indigenista" presence in the Constitution. There is no real "Aymara", "Quechua" "Uruchipaya" content or participation. Was there nothing there to present on a large country-wide scale in the first place? Who knows, all this government has presented is a very westernized conception of the "State" in its Constitution, and a really wrong one at that.
I can't believe you -obvious- Collas who write here. Bitching about Santa Cruz, oligarchs, Bush Imperialism. Same old troglodyte bullshit you have been spewing for generations.
But, when it comes down to it, this mess is large part your ancestors fault.You were the ones who made life miserable for the Aymara, and they hate you for it. You were the ones with the pongos, in your miserable little unproductive farms. Or you were the pompous and petty functionaries who lived off the state and made everyone else's life miserable. You complain now about "old politicians" and "oligarchs" but they were YOUR politicians. La Paz never really had an oligarchy, because everyone was out scheming till the next coup. It was all a bunch of functionaries and minor landowners, so lazy they would have their pongos walk the produce to town, so they could then be servants at home.
And you know that in the end, because you share that long memory with the Aymara, you know when it comes down to it, they will kill you first.
Well I be damned!
Boli-Nica usta be a mad bugga pretendin to be normal
Boli-Nica losing it..
Boli-Nica LOST it!
Well I be damned there no hope in this world?!?
Come back Boli, on your knees if you must, but come back I pray you!!
I be damned...
Boli-Nica LOST it!!!
Completeleleee!!!!
No hope for you Bolivia now?
;-)))
Boli nika - you suck, respect your uncestors, we all are amerindians, and fuck the cambas for being so stupid, they are the ones who want to be hated.
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