Saber Rattling South America Style
Say what you want about recent politics in South America – a region of new governments for the people, or the land of populist despots, take your pick – but at least until now conflicts between countries seemed to be a relic of the ancient past. Well, until last weekend.On Saturday, Colombian President Alvaro Uribe committed what is generally considered to be a diplomatic 'no-no' in most parts of the world. He sent his army across the border into another country, Ecuador, in a raid against a guerilla (FARC) encampment. The government of Ecuador reacted the way one might expect Washington to respond to Canadian Mounties staging a raid into upstate New York – he was not happy.
Ecuador's President Rafael Correa sent Colombia's ambassador back to Bogotá, temporarily broke diplomatic relations with his country's neighbor to the north, and sent thousands of Ecuadorian troops to the Colombian border to prevent a repeat episode. Not to be outdone, Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez also sent Colombia's ambassador packing and sent thousands of his troops to the Colombian border, though no incursion has happened there or seems likely. Perhaps it was a legitimate precaution, or perhaps just a case of international-crisis-envy. Again take your pick.
All this also plays out against the backdrop of larger U.S./Latin America political dynamics. Uribe, a conservative and heated opponent of the FARC, is also President Bush's chief ally in a region where he has very few. Correa and Chavez, along with Bolivia's Evo Morales, are generally regarded by the Bush administration as the South American leftist presidential 'bad boys.'
Not surprisingly then, the Bush administration was quick to defend Colombia's cross-border moves, no doubt seeing the incursion as more akin to invading Afghanistan to chase Al Qaeda then Canadians advancing on Buffalo (with fried chicken wings and Genesee beer being the target, no doubt).
For more than two decades, since the U.K. and Argentina duked it out oddly over some rocky islands off the latter's southern coast, South America's instabilities have always been internal, not cross-border. These international tensions aren't likely to fade with just assurances that similar border crossings have been taken out of Colombia's counterinsurgency game plan.
Colombia's government says that in Saturday's raid it took possession of one FARC leader's laptop that, it claims, included evidence of long-standing amiable relations between the FARC and Chavez, including $300 million in support payments to the insurgents from the Venezuelan treasury. It was a convenient and timely link for Uribe (with the evidence still unreleased) and one that Chavez heatedly denied.
To be clear, most nations do not take kindly, and understandably so, to having armies from other nations wander across the border to shoot and kill. Similarly, neither do most nations have good feelings when their neighbors serve as host (willing or not) to guerillas dedicated to kidnapping and torturing their citizens.
The FARC and its operations in Colombia have been a violent and painful fact of life in that country for more than forty years – officially the longest running civil insurgency in the world. "Cats" didn’t even run that long on Broadway.
The instability of that ongoing conflict now threatens to spread regionally, which is not welcome news. In comparison, the Bolivian battle between Morales and the governors, over autonomy and gas revenue, looks like a minor sideshow of instability.
The good news is that others in South America are stepping up to take on the role of peacemaker and mediator, including Brazil's government, also led by an ostensibly left President, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. Perhaps the silver lining in this incident is that it will draw others in South America to take leadership in a regional crisis, rather than letting the driver seat be occupied by the great neighbor to the north.
The question is whether South Americans can achieve that restoration of stability before someone in government, or on the ground, does something stupid and converts the current tensions into something else entirely.
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I cannot fathom how can anyone can possibly do anything but condemn the FARC and anyone who supports them, namely Chavez.
There were probably some things Colombia could have done to before bombing Ecuadorian territory, but at the same time I can understand their frustration, especially when they are so close to the prize.
I think Ecuador has every right to protest and take the measures that it did. Chavez on the other hand, is simply showing what a fool hi is.
This reminds me of the Falkan/Malvinas war, where you had a bankrupt economy, a despotic leader under pressure, who saw war as an alternative to continue his grip in power. However, from I gather in Venezuelan blogs, he be a fool if he thinks the Venezuelan people would support a war against his Colombians brothers.
I am really dying to hear the MAS' position on this one. Will Evo play the fool??
The evidence collected from the computer is compelling, and shows how tied in Venezuela is to FARC. Bolivians have real reason to fear Chavez influence. He is an increasingly erratic ideologue with gobs of money who is on an irrational jihad against the north. He will sacrifice other country's eagerly if it helps his deluded cause.
Chavez comments & actions are inflamatory, revealing, and crazy:
i. A minute of silence for Reyes
ii. Admitted he met 3 times with Reyes, even before president.
iii. Said it was "tribute" to "Raul Reyes a real revolutionary"
iv. says the killing was "not in combat", a "cowardly murder" "coldly planned"
v. Called Colombia a "terrorist state", says Uribe is the "criminal", a "liar" a "terrorist",
And the jewel he was praising:
Raul Reyes was a ruthless hardline communist trained in East Germany. As commander of the "Bloque Sur" he ordered thousands of kidnapings, hundreds of extra-judicial executions.
He was up to his neck in responsibility for the crimes of FARC, not only from the command side, but because he handled the groups finances>.
And he was also the pervert who kidnapped 9 year girls to become part of his harem.
Interesting highlights from from the alleged computer discs.
In a letter from a FARC commander to Marulanda, Evo is described as being "patria o muerte" with Chavez (tight with Chavez). And he was going to be part of a "commanders summit" with Marulanda himself!
Octubre, 4 de 2007
Camarada Manuel. Cordial saludo. Del diálogo con Chacín, lo siguiente:
1- Se proseguirá el esfuerzo por hacer realidad la cumbre de comandantes en el Yarí. De lograrse, Chávez iría acompañado por los presidentes Ortega, Evo y Correa, que son “patria o muerte” con Chávez. De todas maneras habrá una reunión privada Chávez-Marulanda. "
in another email, they will discuss their "geopolitical common strategy".
Que la
cumbre Chávez-Marulanda en el Yarí con el acompañamiento de los
presidentes Ortega, Morales y Correa, será decisiva en la búsqueda de
fórmulas para el acuerdo y para la estrategia geopolítica común.
No doubt many discussions of Boliviarian projects, complaints about the empire and comparing notes on coca production.
From reading the actual emails, it is striking just how much ideological common ground there is between Evo, Garcia-Linera and the FARC. That entire worldview, an extremely paranoid and rigid view of the empire, and its domestic "oligarchic" partners. The delusions they somehow have a "valid revolutionary alternative" - nothing more than the same old Marxist-Leninist cliches.
Jim:
Crazy enough -since the laptops are Uribe's main evidence for all things in farcland- the 3 found on saturday morning became -praise the Lord- 4 laptops today at the OAS.
All from the colombian delegation's mouth.
It's official.
Laptops procreate.
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No way anyone could make such an elaborate forgery in such a short period of time to deal with the contingency of Reyes being inside Ecuador. Plus Correa already confirmed that there was conversations.
And then you have this rather candid picture of him pouring scotch at some sort of christmas celebration. Not exactly the kind of picture you want in the FARC web site.
Judge for yourself, the 36 page PDF made available by Colombia, including the emails that mention Evo.
Really is a fascinating read.
You gotta admire Uribe's ostrich-sized cojones to get rid of mass murderers such as the FARC -- in their pajamas, no less! The Colombians are fortunate to have a leader like Uribe.
Predictably, the official reaction of the governments of the region has been the to call against the violation of so-called sacrosant "sovereignty," as if it hasn't been perpetually violated by --not counting the FARC --narcotraffickers, smugglers, and soldiers. Even Mexican soldiers have crossed the US border one in a while.
I'm sure Morales and his hordes are mourning the loss of such narcoterrorists, but at least they're biting their tongues and not following Chavez's lunatic rants. I'm not holding my breath, though.
I'm curious, though, who are the "gringos" in the e-mails found in the now famous laptops.
The Croats are Morales' Jews.
Beni is Morales' Katrina.
I'm sorry Jim but Canada would never invade US for beers, we have darn better ones here :) People would have to be pretty darn desperate to kill for a Budweiser... yerk.
Las FARC planeaban
una cumbre con Evo
Su presencia estaba asegurada en una reunión en la que al menos cuatro presidentes verían una 'estrategia geopolítica común' con las FARC.
Las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) gestionaban una cumbre con el presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, en la que se aseguraba la presencia de los mandatarios Evo Morales, de Bolivia; Rafael Correa, de Ecuador, y Daniel Ortega, de Nicaragua, ´para la estrategia geopolítica común´.
Así lo revelan cartas, publicadas ayer por el periódico El Tiempo, de Bogotá (Colombia), detectadas en la computadora de Luis Édgar Devia (alias Raúl Reyes), el segundo hombre de las FARC, y quien fue abatido por las autoridades colombianas.
Basados en esa correspondencia, la Policía colombiana informó a los medios que Venezuela entregó a las FARC, 300 millones de dólares para la guerrilla.
En una de ellas, fechada el 4 de octubre del 2007, se sugiere la idea de la cumbre.
´Se proseguirá el esfuerzo por hacer realidad la cumbre de comandantes... De lograrse, Chávez iría acompañado por los presidentes Ortega, Evo y Correa, que son \'patria o muerte\' con Chávez. De todas maneras habrá una reunión privada Chávez- (Manuel) Marulanda (líder de las FARC)´.
En otra nota dirigida a Marulanda, y ´camaradas del secretariado´, el 8 de octubre del 2007, Reyes señalaba que dos miembros de la guerrilla serían recibidos públicamente por Chávez, antes de una reunión, el 12 de octubre, con (Álvaro) Uribe (presidente de Colombia) en la frontera de la Guajira.
El segundo de las FARC marcaba la siguiente línea para ese encuentro: ´Agradecer a Chávez su invaluable labor de intermediación. Que la cumbre Chávez-Marulanda en el Yarí con el acompañamiento de los presidentes Morales, Ortega y Correa, será decisiva en la búsqueda de fórmulas y para la estrategia geopolítica común. Plantear que estamos analizando sus propuestas de fecha para la reunión secreta con el Secretariado. Convocar a los gobiernos del mundo, personalidades y organizaciones políticas y sociales a rodear la intermediación de Chávez´.
En un boletín firmado por las FARC, después de la muerte de Reyes, difundido en un despacho de la agencia EFE desde Bogotá, se indicó que quien en vida fue portavoz internacional de esa guerrilla, ´cayó cumpliendo la misión de concretar a través del Presidente (de Venezuela) Chávez (Hugo), una entrevista con el presidente Sarkozy (Nicolas, de Francia), donde se avanzara en encontrar soluciones a la situación de Ingrid Betancur y para el intercambio humanitario´.
La red televisiva Unitel dio a conocer ayer correspondencia, supuestamente confidencial, entre el presidente Morales y su colega francés, Nicolas Sarkozy.
El 6 de noviembre del año pasado le envió esa misiva con el siguiente texto: ´Conscientes de la posible influencia positiva que podemos gestar sobre este problema, le informo que nos propusimos evaluar una prudente aproximación a las FARC, para promover la posibilidad de una solución humanitaria a la crisis de los rehenes, como una solución pacífica al conflicto. En este sentido sólo percibo ventajas en consolidar nuestras mediaciones, de manera complementaria y le propongo establecer contactos bilaterales en este sentido´.
Pero, pidió prudencia. ´Estamos considerando aproximarnos a los actores de este drama de manera reservada, tomando la mayor distancia a la alta carga mediática alrededor de este tema. Por lo tanto, le agradecería su discreción sobre nuestro intercambio de cartas´.
En el último comunicado, los rebeldes piden a Chávez, Sarkozy, Correa, Ortega, Cristina Fernández (Argentina) y Morales, ´y a todos los Gobiernos amigos de la paz...´, a luchar por el despeje de Florida y Pradera.
¿Entrenamiento en Bolivia?
Después de que la Policía de Perú capturó a siete personas que supuestamente preparaban acciones terroristas, las que resultaron ser miembros del capítulo peruano de la Coordinadora Continental Bolivariana, organización chavista, el parlamentario peruano Javier Velásquez dijo que en Bolivia aparentemente se entrena a peruanos en prácticas militares.
Los detenidos salieron de Ecuador, pasaron por Bolivia e ingresaron a Perú, donde fueron aprehendidos, según la Policía.
El ministro de Defensa de Bolivia, Walker San Miguel, descartó ayer la posibilidad de entrenamiento a guerrilleros.
´Es absolutamente falso. En Bolivia no existe ninguna política relacionada al tema de armas, de guerrillas. El presidente Morales siempre ha buscado una lucha electoral, democrática, jamás armada. No sé de dónde vendrá esa declaración, porque ni el embajador peruano ni tres ministros de Perú me tocaron ese tema´.
^, makes you wonder if Evo's campaign against US-AID, withdrawal from US officer training programs are timed to reduce US presence and links dramatically so he can partake of these shenanigans more actively.
As usual Boli-Nica paints a distorted picture. Reyes was indeed a senior commander of FARC. In this capacity he has been the key contact for negotiations with the organisation, negotiations that in recent months have led to many prisoners being freed & renewed prospects for FARC disbanding (already over 30.000 have disarmed).
People that have been involved in direct negotiations with Reyes include the Foreign Minister of France Kouchner
http://www.reuters.com/article/americasCrisis/idUSL03135126
who was left notably unhappy with the killing.
It also includes Chavez, on the personal invitation of Uribe who actually appointed him as official mediator (until he later changed his mind), as well as the Colombian authorities themselves (including former President Astrana) over many many years.
Talking to Reyes makes you a terrorist? So does being mentioned (even without your knowledge) in an email? Well, by those accounts Uribe himself, Kouchner, Sarkozy, half the French civil service, Astrana & most of Colombia�s, & Evo, Ortega & Correa too should be bombed in their pj's in the dead of night, even if they happen to be in a foreign country at the time.
BN fails to understand that whilst Uribe's hardline (& very probably necessary) approach has made dents in the FARC, the organisation is in (probably terminal) decline. Very very few people (& that doesn't include Uribe himself or he wouldn't have asked for Chavez' help!) though believe the FARC can be fully disbanded, hostages released & their leaders hand themselves in without negotiations. As the IRA & ETA cases show, negotiations at some point are indispensable.
The incursion into Ecuador was perilous in any case, creating diplomatic tensions with a country that has little to do with the FARC. Kind of ironic too seeing that Uribe has accused Venezuela of harbouring the FARC many a time in the past & yet hired its leader Chavez to help him neutralize them! Which is why the Colombian authorities are now clamouring to deny they entered Ecuadorian territory, & at the same time disseminating the idea that half of LA was hand-in hand with the FARC, which was just a step short of becoming the new Al-Qaeda, complete with dirty-bombs & uranium.
A tall story indeed. But that doesn't stop Unitel & Boli-Nica from floating it.
Shame they forgot to point out - ermmm - that the emails date from last October when Chavez was openly mediating (on Uribe's instructions) with the FARC. So much for a secret cumbre.
sure boli-nica 11:05 it's all one big complicated dastardly plot but thank the lordy we've got you to keep watch for us.
Boli Nica:
Please you must see a psychiatrist. You are perturb or you write lies paid by your amos in Miami.
Is your Bolivian side from the manicomio? It is obvious that your nica side is Somozista.
Loco de remate or facist lier.
an article worth reading which includes a take on Obama & Clinton's comments on the incident
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/obama-glosses-colombian-a_b_89836.html
Shame they forgot to point out - ermmm - that the emails date from last October when Chavez was openly mediating (on Uribe's instructions) with the FARC. So much for a secret cumbre.
You blind, blind, man.
The reason Uribe picked Chavez, is because he suspected (or knew) that Chavez was tied into, and had influence with the FARC. He was correct.
He was doing it, full well knowing that Chavez was going to work with the FARC to undermine his position. It is called a calculated risk.
And Chavez and the FARC in fact were working to undermine Uribe and Colombia's position as all the strategizing in the emails shows.
The FARC specifically want to leverage the hostages in order to get 1. a "despeje" zone 2. recognition as combatants. That gives them breathing room to re-arm and continue their business dealings, while acting in some sort of "popular front" with left forces in Colombia.
Evo, is seen as Chavez' really, really, good buddy, part of the anti-US bloc. The overall strategy of this group is to eject the "empire" from Colombia. The way you do that is helping the FARC get their "free zone" and "recognition" by actively lobbying governments outside the area. As bait, the FARC liberate a hostage or two, give you the credit and credibility. The net effect is to undermine Uribe's position vis a vis the FARC outside and inside Colombia.
The reason Uribe picked Chavez, is because he suspected (or knew) that Chavez was tied into, and had influence with the FARC. He was correct. He was doing it, full well knowing that Chavez was going to work with the FARC to undermine his position. It is called a calculated risk.
Erm, you forgot to mention B-N what benefit Uribe hoped to get from his "calculated risk". Other than, somewhat bizarrely, to "undermine his own position".
The rest of what you say sounds sadly hallucinatory, but keep taking them pills y'hear.
not sure what Uribe's intentions were beyond having some hostages freed, however Chavez' intentions appear to be the following:
Having had a long standing relationship, being humilliated at the ballot box, and facing an economic disaster, he tried passing himself as a humanitarian stateman who could get the FARC on the negotiating table and being THE only one who could get the hostages freed.
Apparently, he is so upset because his cynic plot has now become public knowledge. Chavez is nothing more than a top leader of the FARC. It is within his power to have ALL the hostages freed with a simple phone call. He was just putting up a 'humanist' show in order to score points in the region. But now he has been unmasked.
Anon 3,59 I agree Chavez is trying to get political capital out of the hostage releases. Not sure he's been unmasked though. He's always been frank about his sympathy for the FARC,& openly revels in the good PR & photo-opps when hostages are released. Nothing new here, twas already public knowledge. And that's not the same as actively collaborating with the FARC, much less being one of their "top leaders". The "evidence" provided by the Colombian police on that laptop is at best highly circumstantial. And judging from the spinning they've given the story, plus the many reasons Colombia has to bend the truth - not least to deflect attention away from their incursion into Ecuador - I'd personally wait & see a bit more. What I can agree on, if it was what you were implying, is that Chavez is real mad at losing Reyes, a guy that he could ideologically identify with & also provided him with plenty of positive, & much-needed, international PR.
In the meantime every Latin American country has sided with Ecuador & against Uribe on the attack made inside the Ecuadorian territory.
And Nicaragua has just become the third country to cut off diplomatic relations with Colombia.
Anon 10:32 and boli-nica's attempts to throw Evo into the fray - purely on the basis that he was mentioned in a couple of alleged emails - are ridiculous.
Follow this logic and the French, Swiss, Spanish, Brazilian, Mexican & Argentinian governments in addition to those of Ecuador, Venezuela, Nicaragua & Bolivia were all guilty of conspiring! So was the Italian, who were actually working undercover with the European Parliament!! By Joseph even the Red Cross was apparently involved!!!
Get a life guys.
Reyes' corpse was identified by his flashy Rolex watch. Who was he trying to impress down there in the jungle wearing such jewelry? The snakes?
You should know that every pure blooded revolutionary must indulge in the evil excesses of capitalism in order to understand it and thus condemn it.
That's why one the more pure blooded revolutionaries of the world, such as the FARC, cover their collective noses and tolerate such capitalist products such as Rolexes, laptops and the internet, expensive whisky, and (oh, Lordy!) dollars.
It's sort of like eco-nut/prophet Al Gore spewing doomsday and lecturing us mortals to reduce our "carbon footprint" yet travels by chartered plane and owns 3 mansions consuming the same amount of energy as dozens of average homes.
The Croats are Morales' Jews.
Beni is Morales' Katrina.
Sort of like Rasputin's Khlysti sect, which believed that you couldn't be redeemed unless you sinned first.
And Nicaragua has just become the third country to cut off diplomatic relations with Colombia.
Nicaragua's Ortega sympathizing with FARC and Chavez... SHOCKAH!
(And so what if his approval rating is only 22%...)
Jack, its always great fun watching you troll around the internet for info on topics you know nothing about, collecting one or two actual facts, cocmpletely distort or mis-interpret them, and then go on to blab endlessly.
You obviously have trouble grasping really basic concepts, don't know much in way of facts, and don't get stuff that is self-obvious to anyone remotely inform3ed, I will spell it out:
Historically, people in Colombia, who actively are trying to kill each other, actually negotiate with each other, directly or through 3rd parties. Uribe as someone whose father was killed by FARC - probably doesn't want to talk to the FARC but has to to accomplish certain goals.
Colombia in the past 70 years has seen political violence, armed warlords, pure banditry, drug wars, self-defense groups, paramilitaries, family blood feuds, going on in big sections of the country.
And that explains what Uribe wants, to assert state control and the rule of law in all Colombia's territory. To do that he wants to eliminate the FARC as a marxist leninist peasant army, self-financed by drug dealing, since they are the one group actively trying to destabilize and topple the government. That takes away the paramilitaries who are co-depedent on the FARC's existence. The government can then contain the drug dealing, and deal with it as simple crime.
In the short term, Uribe does not want the FARC getting a despeje zone or recognition. Both times they did that, the FARC rearmed and continued its war, and simply concentrated drug production and manufacture in one area.
The hostages present a huge international issue, that perversely can be used against Uribe. Uribe would rather have Chavez go ahead and initiate talks - which would go on long. That makes Uribe appear conciliatory - externally and wanting to solve the hostage issue.
Uribe might have calculated that this process could drag on - the hostage liberation that is. He would not give up a "despeje" zone in the area the guerillas want - an area key because of smuggling routes.
In the meantime Colombia would continue pounding the FARC very heavily. killing its top cadres, forcing desertions.
Overall the calculation was that maybe it was worth boosting Chavez a bit, maybe not weakening the FARC as much, was worth the cost, so long as it led to breathing room for Colombia abroad, getting some hostages released, and allowed the army time to continue to hunt the FARC and force the surrender of their ground units.
Raul Reyes, was wanted by Interpol for a long list of crimes, related to drug dealing, kidnapping, and most recently child abuse. He had pre-teen girls kidnapped from their families, and would hold them as a sort of "harem".
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^^Reyes in other words has a lot of blood on his hands, is a pedofile, a kidnapper, and a drug dealer. What is on the disc confirms it. And he reflects the FARC: Fanatical ideologues who traffic drugs.
And what everyone seems to have forgotten is that COLOMBIA IS A DEMOCRACY UNDER SIEGE BY THESE ARMED THUGS...the country's citizens have voted in this president twice and overwhelmingly disprove of the FARC.
The country was close to being a failed state 15 years ago, but has reformed and strengthened its institutions admirably by anyone's standards. But the FARC keep on undermining them, keep on kidnapping, feeding the cycle of violence.
And that is the FARC Chavez supports (tho he swore to Colombians that he didn't two years ago.) That is the FARC that sees Evo as enough of a friend and
"strategic ally" they will have him visit with Tirofijo WHO SEES NOBODY.
People like Chavez who support the FARC are actively working with the worst thugs out there, to undermine a fellow elected goverment, that is criminal.
Boli-Nica,
I’m sorry if occasionally questioning your comments troubles you, but that’s actually the purpose of a blog.
Your explanation of Uribe’s motivation for hiring Chavez is unconvincing even if measured by your own previously quite daunting track-record. One can almost sense we’re about to see Ben Johnson on steroids & a rocket turbo in his behind out to set a new benchmark. Someone put the slow-mo on or we could miss this little escapade.
Overall the calculation was that maybe it was worth boosting Chavez a bit, maybe not weakening the FARC as much, was worth the cost, so long as it led to breathing room for Colombia abroad, getting some hostages released, and allowed the army time to continue to hunt the FARC and force the surrender of their ground units.
Erm, let’s go one by one on these points:
1. “maybe it was worth boosting Chavez a bit”. Well, apart from the little detail that it’s somewhat dubious Uribe would do anything to “boost Chavez a bit” – he hates the guy – I suppose we can let that one pass. On the basis of your temerity if nothing else. Twould be a miserly man that allows no space for the ludicrous in his heart, if only for the entertainment it provides.
2. “maybe not weakening the FARC as much” is plain silly B-N. Uribe’s sole priority, by his accounts & yours too only a few lines previously, is to eliminate the FARC as quickly as he can. Discard as contrary to all the evidence & contradictory to, erm your very own explanations.
3. “so long as it led to breathing room for Colombia abroad”. Well, Uribe has so far shown not the slightest interest in public opinion abroad. Before you try to twist my words do please note I’m not taking any sides on this issue. I’m simply saying that your argument is nonsense.
4. “getting some hostages released”. If Uribe wanted to do this all he needs to do is open negotiations with the FARC. Simple as Simon the Pieman. Discarded on the grounds of quite plaintive contrary evidence (& clerk please remove the representing attorney to safe-keeping at nearest manicomio. Actually no, let him stay, his bizarre account of events is enthralling, let’s hear some more.)
5. “allow the army time to continue to hunt the FARC and force the surrender of ground units”. Forgive me for saying so, but isn’t it the FARC that’s on the run from the Colombian authorities & not the other way round? Why give them more time to regroup now they’re so badly dented? Flies in the face of Uribe’s attack in Ecuador which if nothing else showed he was pretty keen on taking any opportunity to blow them into smithereens, irrespective of the consequences. File under more upside down than an australian sloth.
Which gives 3/10 for the credibility of your explanation & 1,5/10 for the logic. (Excuse the distinctly over-generous first score, made purely for the purposes of boosting your morale.)
Next, a major omission in your post. If Uribe’s strategy was to get Chavez talking with the FARC to give him some hostage release PR, more breathing room for Colombia & more time for the hunt etc etc why the fuck did he make the attack into Ecuador!?!? It makes no sense! There was no better way to stop hostage releases, get stinkingly bad PR & burn any frigging “breathing room” (space?) Colombia ever had than by doing that!!!
Your omissions & misrepresentations don’t stop here though. For example,
Why did Colombia try to deny they entered Ecuadorian territory (despite having taken Reyes’ body back to Bogota – something which short of a zombie-like tale of dead men being able to walk more than a mile was always going to be kind of difficult to explain)?
Why didn’t Uribe inform Correa of the location of the FARC camp in Ecuador? As you must know this is what really got Correa mad, & the reason why he said Uribe had betrayed him & could no longer be trusted (they’d actually been collaborating with each other to fight the FARC).
Why did the Colombian police spin this story of Correa being hand-in-pocket with the FARC? Funny way to treat someone you want to help you out surely?
Why did the Colombian police spin the rest of the FARC-conspiracy tale, implicating most of the leaders & governments in LA & Europe?
If Colombia really did want hostages released, why did they kill Reyes (the only person – irrespective of his personal history – within FARC with the credibility to negotiate with foreign governments & guarantee their release)?
If Colombia really wanted Chavez to keep helping why the morning glory did they kill his main contact Reyes?
If they really wanted Chavez to keep helping in the hostage releases why the ?*!* did Colombia then do all they can to rub his nose in the dirt?
Last - but not least - if Colombia really does need the collaboration of its neighbours in fighting the FARC why on earth did they attack Ecuador without at least telling Correa first, why are they doing all they can to throw muck onto him, Chavez (a guy not well-known for his restraint in jumping at a chance for a provocation) & most of LA’s governments?
Again, before you misrepresent what I say, I am not taking positions on the issue. I’m simply raising some questions. Which require an explanation somewhat different to the one you’ve so far supplied sweetheart.
But never mind B-N, I’ll allow you not to even address them. If you’re convinced about the unassailable logic behind these events then that’s fine by me, every cuckoo bird to his own nest I suppose and these events are not your own work anyway.
What is your own doing, & for which I will hold you to an explanation is (if you care to reply) – with all the fairly major stuff at the heart of this affair (it’s not thankfully every day that one LA country invades its neighbour) – why the heck did you choose to try to personally implicate Evo & Correa in the affair? Every single one of your 6 (I’ll credit you until you retract with the unsigned 10,32 Unitel bold intro - followed by enough baloney to feed the residents of Little Italy for a coupla weeks – one too) posts focused attention on this & only this! You either got much too much spare time on your hands or a lot of hate in your heart (or both.)
That’s my gripe with you B-N you see. That you, while Bolivia spins towards who knows what destiny with how many more lives at stake, will sit on your fat ass in the luxury of Miami, doing all you possibly can to stoke the flames of misunderstanding, distrust & hate on issues that have got pretty much zilch to do with Evo & MAS, happy in the knowledge that it will be some other bugger’s ass on the line.
Which leaves me, you’ll be happy to hear by now, sinceramente sin mas palabras.
^
WOW....talk about being off.
Where you absolutely miss reality:
You have trouble grasping the difference between overall strategy and tactical decisions
You assume that in these negotiations, ANY CONCESSION to an opponent IS A 100 PERCENT LOSS.
Since you sound like you are from the UK, you might know football.
A coach can pack his backfield with most of his players, practically handing the midfield to his opponent. This is a CONCESSION, that might be risky, but if a coach calculates the other side will move most of its men forward, and his defense is strong enough to not give up a goal or two, then he might be able to launch quick counterattack and strike. Your aim and desire is to win the game and score goals, but you deliberately put yourself in a situation that gives the other side an advantage.
In business, a manufacturer might temporarily distribute its product at a discount to gain market share against an established rival. He is in effect conceding profits, under the calculation that the market share won, will sustain future sales at a regular price.
another issue:
Fighting and negotiating, you keep on pressing your opponent, expecting to win. You will probably never get 100 percent of what you want, but by continue to fight while talking you advance your position.
That is something you can find in conflicts everywhere, particularly ones with negotiated outcomes. When I was in university we looked a lot at the middle east, because of the numerous conflicts the past 60 years ranging from border incidents to full-fledged regional wars. A classic one is the PLO surrounded by the Israeli's in 82, which involved intersts from a host of global players.
In Colombia, there is no contradiction between wanting to destroy your opponent, making tactical concessions depending on your position at the moment, and (for a while) involving an obnoxious and somewhat hostile neighbor - but one with who also buys billions of dollars in good with.
"That’s my gripe with you B-N you see. That you, while Bolivia spins towards who knows what destiny with how many more lives at stake, will sit on your fat ass in the luxury of Miami, doing all you possibly can to stoke the flames of misunderstanding, distrust & hate on issues that have got pretty much zilch to do with Evo & MAS"
Listen up, first of all, how dare some European political tourist condemn me for commenting on a country to which I have strong blood ties, where some of my immediate family lives.
I also have the right to say whatever the fuck I want to say about Bolivia, because I have spent 20 + years reading and studying the country, and have done academic research on it. Not to mention that I had the opportunity to talk to many people involved in events in the country in the past 60 years. I know what the f#%k I am talking about.
When it comes down to it, you will never know the kind of price that people very close to me - my very family - paid so Bolivia would return to Democracy 25 years ago, and hopefully break out of the misery. Not to mention the fact that my grandfather, grand-uncle busted their asses protecting Bolivia's natural resources in the Chaco, and lived long enough to watch their descendants help expand that industry, that Evo is destroying.
Lastly, How dare you call me a "coward" for writing from Miami, when some of the shit I saw (and survived) by age 16 would probably have driven your little bitch self to an early end. You wouldn't know courage if it came up and bit you on the ass. So, you should be the one to shut the fuck up.
From the latest issue of the Economist:
With Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, following Mr Chávez's lead, this week's events sent Latin America's diplomats scurrying to prevent war enveloping the neighbourhood. But they also laid bare that Colombia's government is coming close to breaking the back of the FARC, and in the process threatening to shine light on its murky relations with neighbouring governments.
When Mr Uribe took office in 2002, the guerrillas were rampant. His predecessor had just halted peace negotiations because the FARC had used a “demilitarised” zone created to host the talks as a base for recruitment and for kidnapping (many of the politicians it has held hostage were seized during the talks). The guerrillas had some 17,000 troops; they blocked main roads and bombarded small towns, kidnapping and killing almost at will. To make matters worse, the state's inability to provide security had spawned murderous right-wing paramilitary groups.
Mr Uribe's “democratic security” policy has achieved a dramatic change. By expanding the security forces, he has driven the FARC from populated areas, while persuading most of the paramilitaries to demobilise. Officials reckon they have reduced the FARC's ranks to fewer than 11,000. But the guerrillas withdrew to the vast tropical lowlands, to areas they have controlled for 40 years. There they resisted a two-year offensive by 18,000 troops. The army could not get near the FARC's seven-man governing secretariat, of which Mr Reyes (the nom de guerre of Luis Edgar Devia) was a member.
Seeking the secretariat
Thwarted, the security forces refined their strategy. They put more effort into seeking the FARC's leaders using information from guerrilla deserters and infiltrators, and from sophisticated bugging equipment provided by the United States. Over the past year, this has started to pay off. Two FARC regional commanders have been killed and one captured. In January and February alone, the army claims to have killed 247 guerrillas and captured 226, with another 360 deserting. This pressure has pushed FARC units to the borders with Ecuador, Venezuela and Panama.
Last month the government received a tip-off that Mr Reyes was in a camp less than two kilometres (1¼ miles) inside Ecuador. Mr Uribe authorised a bombing raid by Brazilian-made Super Tucano aircraft, which killed at least 21 guerrillas. Colombian troops then crossed the border to recover Mr Reyes's corpse—and his laptop computers. (They left three wounded women guerrillas unattended.)
Most Colombians were jubilant that the government had struck at the very top of the FARC at last. Mr Reyes handled the guerrillas' relations with the outside world; he was one of three deputies to Manuel Marulanda, the FARC's elderly leader. For the first time the security forces have shown that they are capable of infiltrating and defeating the guerrillas through systematic strikes, said Román Ortiz of Fundación Ideas para la Paz, a Bogotá think-tank.
Mr Uribe doubtless thought that Mr Correa could be mollified over the cross-border raid. But spurred on by Mr Chávez, Ecuador's president sent 3,200 troops to the border and cut diplomatic ties. He demanded an emergency meeting of the Organisation of American States (OAS) to condemn Colombia, and set off on a tour of regional capitals seeking support.
The laptop lode
Almost as important as the killing of Mr Reyes may be the capture of his laptops. Apart from inside information on the FARC, according to Colombian officials, they contain documents which—if true—are embarrassing to Mr Correa but highly damaging to Mr Chávez. As the FARC's top negotiator, Mr Reyes appears to have met representatives of many governments. According to one e-mail, he met Gustavo Larrea, Mr Correa's security minister last month. Mr Larrea is alleged to have proposed a formal meeting in Quito to discuss securing the border and negotiating the release of some of the FARC's 700-odd hostages. Mr Larrea said that Colombian officials knew of his meeting, which was purely to talk about the hostages.
Ecuadorean officials have long swapped complaints with their Colombian counterparts about their mutual inability to prevent the FARC from crossing the border. Ecuador claims to spend $160m a year containing the spillover. It is also angry about Colombia spraying coca fields on the border with weedkiller, which it says drifts south on to other crops.
Nevertheless, Ecuador has given some help to Colombia. Mr Correa claimed that last year his forces dismantled 47 FARC camps inside Ecuador and on three occasions carried out joint operations with Colombian troops. American surveillance aircraft still patrol over Colombia from an air base in Ecuador, although Mr Correa has promised not to renew the lease for this when it expires in 2009.
AFP
Reyes: a trafficker in hostagesBy contrast, Mr Chávez has recently been unambiguous in his support for the FARC. He fell out with Mr Uribe last year over his attempt to act as a mediator for the hostages. Since then he has cast aside his previous stance as an honest broker seeking a peaceful solution to Colombia's internal conflict. When the FARC turned over two hostages to him in January, Mr Chávez hailed the guerrillas as a “true army” whose status as belligerents should be recognised. No other government in the region, not even Cuba's, echoed this call. On “Aló Presidente” Mr Chávez held a minute's silence in honour of Mr Reyes, whom he said he had met three times over the years. He declared that Colombia needed to be “liberated” from its “subservience” to the United States.
Another document allegedly on Mr Reyes's computer showed that Mr Chávez paid (or planned to pay) the FARC $300m. An (unrelated) e-mail to Mr Reyes suggested that the FARC were trying to obtain uranium for a “dirty bomb”. All this prompted some far-fetched exchanges. Mr Uribe said that he would denounce Mr Chávez for “financing genocide”; in return, Venezuela accused Colombia's police chief, who revealed the contents of Mr Reyes's laptop, of being a “drug trafficker”.
“This is...a microphone war,” said General Raúl Salazar, a former defence minister. Like many other Venezuelans, he doubts that it will become a real one. That is not least because many army officers do not want war with Colombia and find Mr Chávez's actions an “embarrassment”, said another former defence minister, General Raúl Baduel, who is now a prominent opponent of the president.
So what is Mr Chávez's game? One possible answer is his obsessive search for an external enemy to shore up his waning popularity at home. In December, his political blueprint for a socialist Venezuela, with indefinite presidential re-election, was defeated in a referendum. This came only a year after he won a second six-year term with 63% of the vote, and was the first time he had lost a national vote.
In November Venezuelans are due to vote for mayors and state governors. They are increasingly discontented about crime, an inflation rate that has surged to 25% and shortages of basic goods, including food and cooking gas. Because of Mr Chávez's mismanagement of agriculture, Venezuela imports much of its food from Colombia. Any lasting interruption of trade would hurt both countries (see chart). Reputable pollsters say that Mr Chávez's popularity has fallen well below 50%. Visible faction fights have broken out in his newly formed Unified Socialist Party of Venezuela.
Picking a fight with Colombia and supporting the FARC are unlikely to win him friends. One poll, by Hinterlaces, showed 89% opposed to a war and 87% opposed to the FARC. So the reason for his military mobilisation may be to deter Colombia from moving against the FARC camps in Venezuela where some Colombian officials believe that Mr Marulanda is based. A more worrying, though improbable, hypothesis is that Mr Chávez, a former army officer, is throwing off all pretence at being a civilian democrat and, fearing that he may not remain in power for long, wants to launch an assault on what he sees as American imperialism and its regional stooge, Mr Uribe.
Although George Bush gave public support to Mr Uribe, other governments in the region, led by Brazil, tried to drive a wedge between Mr Correa and Mr Chávez. There were signs that this might work. On March 5th Ecuador agreed to an OAS resolution criticising but not formally condemning Colombia. The OAS also agreed to investigate the bombing. Once the region's diplomats have patched things up between these two countries they face another, more intractable problem: Mr Chávez, still with oil money but politically on the defensive, may have thrown in his lot with an outlaw army of drug-traffickers.
For Bol-Nica,
Hmmm, for someone who throws profanity and personal insult around like he learned his English from bad US movies, you certainly seem to have some thin skin buddy boy.
Yeah, not living here makes you a real fine expert. I hear George Bush read up a lot on Iraq about five years ago too. Being here would be just be a distraction, something like, say, reality.
Toughen up amigito and calm down.
Take in some of that Miami condo sunshine and bask some more in the faded glory of your Uncles from Gulf Oil.
I guess anonymous* 9:06 a.m. didn't bother to read the Economist article.
*(Isn't it funny how most of Jim's shills feel the need to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, while most of Jim's critics don't?)
your Uncles from Gulf Oil.
Ha ha, idiot... where have you been these past 23 years?
Frankie,
Anon 9.06 actually said "faded glory" so your quip about the 23 tears says more about your own attention to what you read my friend.
The Economist article? Well, seeing as you seem to have scoured it with meticulous care, tell us what it proved to you & we can have a debate if you like.
Without personal insults Frankie, if possible.
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