Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Updates in the Bolivian Political Crisis

Here's a quick review of the events over the past couple of days surrounding Bolivia's political crisis. For readers wanting moire background we refer you to our special report posted Monday.

Morales and Two Key Governors Sign Agreements on Talks

In La Paz today, President Morales and two key state governors, Rubén Costas of Santa Cruz and Mario Cossío of Tarija, signed an agreement to begin a new round of talks aimed at resolving the country's deep political crisis. The agreement will launch talks starting on Thursday in Cochabamba, and will focus on four main issues of contention: the division of gas and oil revenue (IDH); the proposed new Constitution; regional autonomy; and pending appointments to the nation's judicial bodies. The agreement was also signed by Bolivia's Catholic Cardinal, Julio Terrazas.

Nothing in the agreement changes the difficulties that Morales and the Governors have had up to now in finding agreement on these issues, but the fact that talks will happen at all indicates that, as in Cochabamba in January 2007, the country's fall into deep violence has created pressure to back up and try another way, for now. Not participating in the talks will be Pando Governor Leopoldo Fernandez, arrested Tuesday and transported to La Paz where he will be charged with murder in connection with last weeks massacre of campesino supporters of Morales. Here's Erbol's report on the accord.

South American Presidents Meet in Chile

The leaders of nine South American nations held an emergency summit in Chile yesterday to address the Bolivian crisis. The Presidents declared their strong support for Morales, denounced the Pando massacre and violent attacks against government facilities, called for dialog to resolve the crisis and established a committee to assist in that dialog. The Presidents rejected an effort by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to denounce the U.S. role in Bolivian events, leaving the U.S. out of the discussions entirely. The Bush Administration has yet to issue any denouncement of the Pando massacre, one of the few moves it could make right now that would be both a positive development for Bolivia and useful to the U.S. as well. I think it is also worth noting that it was the two women Presidents, of Argentina and Chile, that initiated the high level peace effort.

Testimonies from the Pando Massacre

Bolivian news outlets have begun to publish the wrenching testimonies of survivors and witnesses from the campesino massacres in Pando last week. The on-line publication Ukhampacha Bolivia has translated a number of these as reported by Radio Erbol. Here is one excerpt:

Vanesa Yubacero, a campesino, recounts the ambush she fell victim to, her voice at times broken by tears: “I was coming from the Nuevo Triunfo community, we arrived within five meters of the Puente Pozo bridge, and we were there when dawn came, and they told us that we should go back and they followed us… We continued moving forward and the police detained us, we waited but no one gave us water, they surrounded us without giving us any time, and they shot the children, they died just like that, with bullets in their hearts, how those children cried, facing those machine guns."

U.S. Orders Peace Corps Out of Bolivia, Evacuates Families

On Monday the U.S. government announced that it had temporarily suspended the Peace Corps program in Bolivia and evacuated all Peace Corps volunteers out of the country, to Lima, Peru. In the same communication the U.S. Embassy announced that it is offering the families of Embassy staff and all "non-emergency personnel" passage out of the country. It has also announced that it is offering some flights out of Bolivia to other U.S. citizens who wish to leave (they still don’t let you take your dogs) and have encouraged those who can to leave and those planning to come to stay home.

The question we are frequently asked when the U.S. issues such communications is, "What do they know?" While no one can state for sure what might happen here in the next few weeks, my sense is that the Embassy's caution is more about the past than the future. In October 2003 during the crisis leading to President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada's resignation, the Embassy did not evacuate and found its staff stranded in La Paz after the airport there was closed and the main roads in and out of the city blockaded. Since then the Embassy has erred on the side of caution, including its evacuation of DEA families and others in 2005 following the resignation of President Carlos Mesa, when the country had already returned to calm. I am not criticizing the Embassy, it is doing its job. This is just some additional analysis as people evaluate their choices.

Tens of Thousands March in Buenos Aires to Support Morales

As the continent's Presidents met in Chile and with more reports surfacing of massacres against Morales backers, the streets of downtown Buenos Aires filled with at least 20,000 people Monday afternoon, proclaiming their support for Bolivia's President (photo above by The Democracy Center's Melissa Draper). Many held aloft banners reading "30,000 Reasons Why," referring to the estimated number of disappeared and killed during this country's "Dirty War" era of repression in the late 1970s and early 1980s. The march was a reminder of how fresh those memories still remain in Argentina and the dangers that many people across Latin America see being repeated in the opposition violence in Bolivia the past week.

A Pair of Clarifications

We have had two readers write to us asking for clarifications from our special report and we are happy to post those here.

First, in our post I reported that U.S. House Member Eliot Engel, a Democrat, had joined Republican Dan Burton to call for an end to the APTDEA trade agreement between the U.S. and Bolivia. This was how the story was reported in the Bolivian media. Congressman Engel's office e-mailed me with this clarification:

Cong. Eliot Engel has called for reviewing American aid and trade programs with Bolivia. He did not withdraw his support for trade but said the actions of the Bolivian government have made it difficult to support the Andean trade agreement in Congress.

Second, regarding the scandal earlier this year over U.S. Embassy pressure on Fulbright Scholars and Peace Corps volunteers to provide it with intelligence on Cubans and Venezuelans in the country, I wrote, "Again [Ambassador] Goldberg tried to downplay the incident as an innocent error." A Peace Corps staff member wrote us, "This was indeed a mistake made by an embassy official about which the Ambassador was very angry."

The Ambassador may well have been extremely angry in public, and with good cause, but all the public statements were far more muted. As ABC News reported at the time:


"The U.S. Embassy in La Paz acknowledges the July incident, having received complaints from Peace Corps staff last year about the matter. But both the embassy and the State Department claim it was "an error," emphasizing that it should not have been interpreted as a request for U.S. citizens to spy."

We hope that clarifies both points.

And a last note, for those interested, I am scheduled to be interviewed Wednesday morning on Democracy Now, which you can watch or listen to here.

90 Comments:

Blogger Norman said...

Well I'm curious about a couple of things. 1) How long before Jim mentions the thousands of "peaceful" campesinos / MASistas (supposedly 50,000 by their account) marching on Santa Cruz. They're due to arrive within the next few days. Maybe that flight to Peru doesn't sound too bad. 2) While it's a bad day for Leopold, it will be interesting to see what morales' type of justice looks like. A "fair" trial followed by a hasty conviction no doubt. Shouls be over in less than a week.

6:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Norman,

At least in Bolivia, people can freely march, Leopold will get a trial. Here in US, We are not that lucky, we put people in detentions without charging them for years, lest a trial. Leopold killed 30 pre-meditated. That is a first degree murder. Here in US most states, death penalty would be Leopold's outcome. Ahh yes, in Bolivia there is no death penalty. You had better enjoy your free country, be glad that Mr. Morales did not have the cops shoot down the last week looters, yourself included Here in US, cops put in 50 bullets in you if you walked funny down the street. enjoy freedom as it really is in Bolivia...when you become 60 then you would thank Mr. Morales for that monthly pension money...

7:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way Norman,

Before you and Branco push the Federal State system on the Bolivian democrocy, go visit Russia and talk to the folks there. ask them about their US dearm like life after the collasp of the Sovoiet Union. All was nothing but corruption, hunger, inflation and poverty. They learned their lesson and got back their country and lives just in time. Be careful what you wish for. Think things through and look around before destroying a good things you guys have. 9 million peole with over 14 billions of Doollars of GDP income. US is number 1 in the world for percent of population in jail. 1 out of every 73 male is in jail. grass is never greener the other side and sky is blue everywhere..be well Norman and take care of your family, be kind to your neighbors, be respectful to the elders and obey your president. One day you might want to beome Bolivia president. When you do, we weill repect and support you, too. Mr. Morales has %67 perecnt popularity. Majority ruls, and that is what we call a true democrocy...be well Norman.

8:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No doubt if Jim was reporting WWII he would use Goebbels or Stalin as his sources. ERBOL, Jim? Ukampacha? Now that you're at it, maybe you want to use other ultraleft propaganda from Venezuela or Cuba with zero credibility. Or maybe the "Achacachi Times" for some laughs.

Undoubtedly Fernandez is being utilized as a scapegoat for Morales' utter incompetence. As to now, there is zero proof -- zero -- that (as Morales claimed) that he hired foreign merceraries to kill campesinos, nor that he planned to do so. Unfortunately, we might never know what really happened because the government geniuses prevented the independent media to inquire what happened.

Note how Jim casually refers to as "crisis" the vandalic and murderous actions that Morales and his minions engaged in that led to the resignation of the democratically elected Sanchez de Lozada and Mesa, yet whines the autonomistas' actions as "massacre" and "illegal" and "coup."

Maybe you should have added that in your "clarifications."

Morales is about to earn the big "G."

Genocidal.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman,

Why would you want to destroy Entel transmission lines, to impair communications? What if your family member was in need a medical service, emergency, and no phone service?? Destroying your own public property? Tax payers, yourself, will end up paying for it. a money that otherwise could have gone to build a hospital, school, park, swimming pool or young bright scholarship for higher education abroad. so much foolishness, anger and greed which is only shooting yourselves in the foot. Does Dr. Allende ring a bell? Google it.

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure what country anon 7:52 is talking about since even last week during the Salvadorian festival thousand of ILEGAL ALIENS gathered in the DC area to celebrate w/o a single one of them being arrested by the INS. Even the Mara Salvatrucha gangbangers out there showing off their tatoo, yet again not a thing was done by the police. Even about a year ago close to 100,000 latinos marched on the National Mall, again no arrest even when the smell of marihuana was clear around some of the bushes.

Now, should we remind him about the tie-cutting incidents, the animal-rights, evagelists, pacifists, even indigeneous people who get beat up in Bolivia by MAS supporters? Keep in mind now, these were not even protesting against Evo, they were advocating peace or humane treatment. Again, you cannot be a leftwinger without being a hypocrit. In La Paz and El Alto there is absolutely no freedom of speech or asembly. Freedom of transit...well we lost that one long time ago.


Another point that Jim should make clear is that the southamerican presidents support Evo as the democratically elected president and NOT, repeat NOT his policies. That is a clear distinction that some are already blurring and saying on some circles that it is an endorsement for his CPE.

Finally, I agree that Jim should use other sources besides the propaganda channels (erbol, TVB, RTP, TeleSur, etc., etc) Furthermore he should strongly question the motivation for the blackout of the media and independent investigations in Pando. It is in the interest of everybody for the truth to come up. Even in Iraq and Afaghanistan, Bush gave the press a lot more leash. Like I said before, I would love to see Fernandez dragged-and-quartered, but in the interest of democracy, due process should be followed. The way things stand right now, there are all sorts of violations of his civil rights and his case for political asylum should be a slam dunk.

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This might help to understand:
http://www.counterpunch.org/hylton09172008.html

10:40 AM  
Blogger Pablo said...

Jim could also point out that Morales himself DID NOT sign the agreement. Mario Cossio showed the document last night and he made it very clear that it had not been signed by the President or the Vice president, only some vice minister.

11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim, and the 10:42 anon,

Thank you both for the good articles, JIm, thanks for timely update and sleepless nights to get info through...keep up the good work,

11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(they still don’t let you take your dogs)" ... ???

HUH?

11:29 AM  
Anonymous ejpa@aol.com said...

Thanks for this (somewhat hopeful) post. It is worth remembering that Evo won a surprising 52.5% of the referendum vote in Pando, which may account for the desperation of the autonomistas there. We are all hoping for the best, for Bolivia.

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice link, counterpunch.org, thanks,

I lived about 3 years in Bolivia, 2005-2008, and I like to comment based on my humble opinion that Bolivian culture does not take into account respect for the rule of law and authorities. running red lights, not paying taxes, cheating just about everyone down to the cab driver and or the Trufi driver. But the same Bolivian when he/she comes to USA, very much respects the law, since she/he knows the law does not tolerate running red lights, property destruction, attacking cops and insulting the president. Evo himself is guilty of that prior to his appointment. His mentality is to go around the Rule of Law. Had he sent cops to protect the public property and lives down to Santa Cruz 2 weeks ago, he would have to be negotiate with the coup de jour instigators....respect for the law startes in the family teaching the youngs, and in Bolivia is the opposite. Parents teach the young how to go around and "beat the system" as they so proudly say...

Thanks Jim for the this medium to vent out,

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Jim, thanks for this space, and I know it is not easy to run a Blog.

The main underlying problem is "Lack of Enforcement". Bolivis does have Laws and very good ones, but there is nobody, and I mean no-one to enforce it. And the general public is well aware of this "sad fact" and absolutely takes advantage of it and they of course reap the benefits as they see themselves in dire situations constantly.

Bolivia desperately needs a "FBI", "US Marshall" type enforcement agency to prosecute "White color criminals" and corrupt officials and judges.

Until then, status quote remains.

that is my take which please forgive me for offending anyone. I love Bolivia and the earth as a whole minus the crooks.

12:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 11:55

You are right on all counts, but you are also naive. That kind of platform will only result on Altenhos pulling some community justice on your arse.

To be "electable" in Bolivia you, above everything, must blame the US for everything. Don't tell Bolivians to pay taxes, tell them that CIA is using Peace Corps volunteers to bury radioactive waste in their schools. Don't tell them to jail corrupt politicians, tell them that you will give them a bono. Don't tell them that if they can't get a job to become entrepeneurs, tell them that once in office you will do your best to eliminate any trade with the US. There's a reason why Jim never questions the ridiculous accusations against the US, he's toast if he does.

I remmember a while ago The Economist estimated that not being punctual decreased Ecuador's GDP by about 3%. I pointed out that this was even a bigger negative than the mis-quoted Sachs number on being land-locked to a internet forum a while back...the result, I was kicked out. You see it is easier to blame someone else for your problems than to get rid of your nasty habits.

12:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 12:30 anon:

Yes, I am naive when it comes to Bolivia, call it wishful thinking if you would.

Blowing up the Gas pipeline?? why??

It is like " me ripping my nose off to spite my face".

The world is getting tired of lack of respect for common sense amongst Bolivians and have for the most part given up. Brazil and Argentina, are looking for another reliable gas supplier and soon they will find one. Bolivians actions is affecting Brazil and Argentina's economy and that is of course a no no.

Entel was given to Bolivia by Itatel (Italians) and what do they do with it? burn it of course to teach Morales a lesson??

Anything functional, high tech has been given to Boliva by Chinese, Japenese, Italians, USA, EU, Brazil....Bolivians are not known to put things together, just to tear them apart, like 2 years olds do when they get new toys...and guess what? no more new toys...

12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 12:30

Your post is so replete of protestant prejudice that it reeks of central Minnesota.

12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget to mention Jim's Blog.
It is not easy to run a Blog, money and hard work.

Instead of being thankful for a free, reliable space to talk things over, what so they do?? Attack Jim of course, and if they could burn and destroy the computers, shutting down the Blog.

so much hate for positiveness and so much love for destruction.

Now they must feel so good that cell phones do not work, internet links unstable..it is a mystry, they have so much love for "hate" and "anger"...

12:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 things we would never find an answer for:

1- What is on the Women's mind,
2- Why Bolivians are so "self-destructive"

But you cannot live without either of them. i love them both, better yet, i love Bolivian's women.

1:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Going back to a comment made earlier regarding Entel and "ripping off your nose to spite your face":

After the crowd bruned and destroyed the Entel Transmission servers, few of the them pulled out their Cell phones to call in the "progress", and had a puzzeled look on their faces since there were no service as a result of their job well done.

There is a vaccum or a void in their perception of things around them. They have very liitle knowledge of what makes those Cell Phones work!!!!Otherwise they would not have done it, is my guess.

Or burnning the Tax records! They don't even know what Tax records are? But they will find out soon when they or a family memeber wants to sell a property, or buy one for that matter.

1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading the first few lines of the counterpunch article, I determined it was worth as much as a bucket of warm llama spit.

Particularly false is that Sanchez de Lozada "slaughtered" over 70 "unarmed protestors." Many of these "protestors" (I'd call them thugs worthy of the Darwin award) were holding foreign tourists hostage while others were trying to topple a democratically elected government. What doesn't pass the laughing test is when the author states that Cuchi Cuchi worshipper has no blame with the mess Bolivia is currently in.

To continue with his self delusion as an expert in not only history but also in political science, ([pause for laughter) the author comically compares the administrative system with France (without explaining how) and states that each "civic committees" are a bunch of big bad exploiters with lots of land. We know some industrious Santa Cruz civic committee members have plenty of land, who produce and employ many Bolivians (unlike Cuchi Cuchi worshipper and his minions, who would never pass as a clerk in a minor business), yet...what about the civic committees of MAS loyalists in La Paz, El Alto, and Potosí? Do all civic committee members have tons of land? Does the author even know how civic committee members are elected? It's obvious the author doesn't know what he's writing about.

There is so much llama spit one can take. I stopped reading the article at that point and let it go down the drain to add to the muck of lies the ultraleft kooks love to revel themselves with.

Morales is about to earn the big "G."

Genocidal.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Adriana V. said...

Your answer 1:22

1)Exactly the same as what is on the mind of Men, but with far less sex on it.

2) Because every now and then there are a bunch of communists like Jim and Company that try to overthrow governments and convince people who are not doing well to break down the system.

I hope that is clear for you and your bolivian girls.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And, like clockwork, these experienced internet superheroes begin to stimulate feelings of superiority towards Bolivians.

Newcomer "Adriana", the idiot who thinks Croats are Jews, they are all here to regulate the tone of the exchanges. At their disposal is mean spiritedness, racism, disinformation, tangentializing, sloganeering, and so on, so forth.

They are internet parasites, stealing bandwidth from people who are actually being constructive - who are attracting an audience that appreciates the high quality of the work.

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ESTAS SON ¡BUENAS NOTICIAS! Antonio B. Rosa R. Para quienes tuvimos el 'privilegio' de vivir el ciclo de las dictaduras militares, la frase 'estas son ¡buenas noticias!', era muy común, pues formaba parte de la estructura de propaganda adormecedora de los reclamos y reivindicaciones de la población. La consistencia de la propaganda de los dictadores era tan agresiva y permanente, como lo es la del gobierno del 'Honoris Causa'. Por eso, veamos cuatro o cinco ¡buenas noticias! del gobierno actual: 1.- FUNDICIÓN DE VINTO.- Este complejo metalúrgico, que se dedica a la refinación de los metales que se produce en la región occidental del país, fue hace poco más o menos de un año, nacionalizado por el gobierno boliviano. Con anterioridad, era de propiedad de la transnacional Glencore, que entre otras cosas, fue ridículamente calificada por el gobierno nacionalizador de ser 'un palo blanco de Goni' (poco más o menos que Soros sea palo blanco de Quintana). Con bombos y platillos, el 'Honoris Causa' proclamó el retorno de aquel complejo a manos 'del pueblo boliviano', y que en adelante, 'aportaría al desarrollo nacional'. Resultados inmediatos informados por los ejecutivos del complejo nacionalizado, apenas hace 24 horas: El Complejo Metalúrgico Vinto está en la más absoluta iliquidez (es decir: no tiene un centavo para nada). El Complejo Metalúrgico Vinto adeuda $us. 30.000,000 a la empresa minera Huanuni, y no hay posibilidad alguna de que pueda pagarle. Antes de su nacionalización, el Complejo Metalúrgico Vinto tenía capacidad de procesar y refinar 900 toneladas diarias de estaño y lo hacía sin problema alguno. Hoy en día, le ha comunicado a Huanuni, que su capacidad de refinación apenas y con suerte, alcanza a 600 toneladas diarias, y que ése es el volumen que puede atenderle. Como consecuencia de lo anterior, Huanuni va a tener que acudir a una empresa privada peruana, para que le haga el trabajo de refinación de las 300 toneladas faltantes. Una especulación nuestra: si después de apenas un año y poco de nacionalizado el Complejo Metalúrgico Vinto, ha perdido liquidez, se ha adeudado hasta el cogote y ha perdido un tercio de su capacidad de trabajo, ¿cuánto tardará en cerrar sus puertas? Calculen ustedes. 2.- PROVISIÓN DE DIESEL.- Antes de la 'nacionalización' de hidrocarburos en Bolivia, la provisión de diesel para el país estaba a cargo de la brasileña Petrobrás, que dicho sea de paso fue asaltada el 1º de mayo de 2006, con el 'Honoris Causa' a la cabeza y tomada como un reducto de ladrones, razón por la que los empresarios privados brasileños exigieron al presidente Lula da Silva que invadiera Bolivia ante semejante ultraje. Petrobrás, que es un gigante mundial, poseedor de hidrocarburos en prácticamente los 5 continentes, jamás nos hizo faltar diesel, con lo que aquello del racionamiento que sufrimos hoy en día, era una noticia de ficción o una broma de mal gusto. Resulta que cuando la aún inexistente YPFB se hizo cargo de distribuir el diesel que se importa, y de refinar (luego de comprar a precios leoninos las refinerías que eran de propiedad de Petrobrás) la parte que el país produce, comenzó la tragedia del déficit de producción e importación de diesel, con el consiguiente cuadro de carencia y de patética incapacidad de los burócratas 'yacimientistas' para solucionar problemas. ¿Qué había pasado? Simplemente que había habido dos conceptos que nuestros 'criollos' administradores desconocen en toda su extensión: inversión y logística. La inversión la hacen los que tienen plata. Y el gobierno del 'Honoris Causa', en vez de atraer inversores, los espanta todos los días, a punta de amenazas de dientes para afuera. La logística se estudia, se proyecta, se crea y se pone en práctica. Es, dicho en otras palabras, tecnología y ciencia pura. Y resulta que cuando Petrobrás fue humillada por el 'Honoris Causa', lo único que Petrobrás hizo fue llevarse su tecnología, porque simple y llanamente es de su creación y propiedad. De modo que nada más fácil: saco el CD en el que está esa tecnología, me lo pongo en el bolsillo de la camisa…y que los asaltantes se las arreglen como puedan. Resultado: nuestros 'criollos' administradores se están dando de patadas en las orejas y están próximos a ser metidos en un hospital psiquiátrico, con camisa de fuerza y todo, porque, ¡gran dilema! Había sido necesario tener conocimientos para manejar una empresa. ¡No había bastado con ser 't'ara', sindicalistas o dirigentes de los S.S.! Sin embargo, esta tragedia no le es del todo adversa al 'Honoris Causa', porque a la sombra de la incapacidad absoluta de gestión de sus secuaces, se ha tratado de camuflar la expresa intención de asfixiar y matar al sector productivo del oriente boliviano, y más expresamente el de Santa Cruz, que depende para sus actividades de producción, de la provisión de diesel. O sea que por ahí, los del gobierno están muy contentos. 3.- PROVISIÓN DE GAS: LICUADO Y NATURAL, PARA EL PAÍS Y PARA EXPORTAR A LA ARGENTINA Y EL BRASIL.- Como en el caso del Complejo Metalúrgico de Vinto, este asuntito de proveer de gas licuado de petróleo (GLP) y gas natural (para varios usos), tanto a nivel nacional, cuanto para exportar a la Argentina y al Brasil, había sido sabiendo, y no simplemente nacionalizando y 'devolviendo soberanía al pueblo boliviano'. Y en este caso, el gobierno no puede argüir que nuestros proveedores extranjeros nos están fallando, o que los bloqueos de los opositores perjudican las operaciones, o que finalmente los gallos cantan antes de la hora indicada. Tal como el 'Honoris Causa' ha dicho, 'el Estado es dueño absoluto de los hidrocarburos, desde que están en el **** de la tierra, hasta que se lo entrega al consumidor final'. Pero la pregunta es ¿de qué hidrocarburos están hablando estos orates? Porque convengamos en un concepto central: NO HAY GAS Y TAMPOCO GASOLINA. Entonces, ¿qué pasa con este mambo? Tan simple como que dos más dos es cuatro: la inversión es CERO. El 'Honoris Causa', acompañado de su acólito Villegas, se desgañita amenazando a las empresas petroleras extranjeras, aquéllas que fueron echadas a patadas del país y otras que están todavía en él, cuando sabe que sus amenazas son un machetazo en el agua, pero que además, y esto es lo trágico de las actitudes caricaturescas del gobierno, depende de ellas para que los volúmenes de producción y de exportación de hidrocarburos, por lo menos se mantengan en los niveles que existían hasta antes del 1º de mayo de 2006. Ni qué hablar de la eventualidad de incrementar esos volúmenes. Bolivia necesitaba aproximadamente de $us. 1.000,00 millones de inversión anual en el campo de hidrocarburos desde 2006 y por los siguientes 5 años, para poder aspirar a acercarse a las metas que el Estado boliviano se había fijado y había contratado con la Argentina y el Brasil en términos de provisión de gas natural. Lo anterior, para que a partir de 2010, pudiera haber honrado sus compromisos de incrementar dramáticamente los volúmenes de exportación, sobre todo a la Argentina, a la que para entonces deberíamos estar vendiéndole 27 millones de pies cúbicos diarios de gas natural, sin menospreciar los volúmenes adicionales que demandaría el Brasil. A lo anterior, agreguémosle el consumo interno creciente, la demanda de San Cristóbal y del Mutún, y nos topamos con una tragedia digna de los griegos. Pero no: a la Argentina, que nos compraba 7 millones de pies cúbicos de gas, le estamos mal entregando a lo sumo 3,50 millones; al Brasil le entregamos lo indispensable para cubrir el compromiso, pero a costo de dejar de entregar a la Argentina y de desabastecer el mercado interno. Pero, ¿de aquí a un año? ¿Será que no estaremos sometidos a remate en el mercado internacional por incumplimiento con nuestros clientes y nuestro consumo se vea severamente racionado, multiplicando por mil los problemas que ya actualmente tenemos? Ahora Bolivia ya no necesita esa inversión, porque el cuarto de hora que tenía, lo ha dilapidado con discursos y estúpidas poses reivindicativas de nada. De haber sido el potencial proveedor de hidrocarburos del sur de América del Sur, el eje articulador de su producción y venta, Bolivia se ha vuelto a convertir en el paisito de ****, paria entre los parias, incapaz de cumplir lo elemental y plagado de complejos y taras, que han terminado por quitarlo del escenario de los negocios. ¡Socialismo del siglo XXI, dicen los iletrados que nos gobiernan! Y en el campo de abastecimiento de GLP de consumo doméstico, ¿cómo estamos? CADA DÍA PEOR. Y en esto, al gobierno puede irle parte de la vida, pues ya no son solamente los 'oligarcas' de la media luna que se perjudican, sino sus mismísimas huestes alteñas y paceñas y orureñas y potosinas que lo apuntalan incondicionalmente. ¿Qué va a hacer el 'Honoris Causa' cuando todo el país sea un conglomerado de colas en busca de una garrafa de gas para cocinar los alimentos? Y que no nos vengan con que es culpa de la oposición y del sabotaje de los Prefectos. Es pura y llana incapacidad e ignorancia de los 't'aras' administradores de las empresas públicas. Y ¡ojo! Acaban de admitirlo públicamente: no pueden solucionar el problema de déficit de producción y abastecimiento de GLP. Han levantado las manos, como todo lo cobardes y flojos que son a la hora de los conocimientos, de la ciencia y de la tecnología. Pero además, ¿de qué se van a disfrazar a la hora en que su 'jefazo' George Soros les exija gas para San Cristóbal y no puedan dar repuestas positivas? Pero esto no es todo: sabido es que el GLP es llevado de contrabando, y que los principales contrabandistas son miembros directos del gobierno o de sus S.S. 4.- REMESAS VERSUS INVERSIÓN DIRECTA.- Otra muy buena noticia. Resulta ahora, que por vía del Banco Central de Bolivia y no de algún malevo opositor oligarca y neoliberal golpista, nos enteramos de que las remesas que nuestros compatriotas de todas partes del mundo, han superado generosamente el volumen de inversión directa durante el primer semestre del año 2007. ¡No podía haber mejor noticia para un país, que al decir del 'Honoris Causa', está muy bien! Por favor: para quienes pudieran tomar en serio lo último que acaban de leer, no se equivoquen. Y es que no podría haber tragedia mayor, pues en su afán de ser 'soberano', el 'Honoris Causa' y su canciller se han peleado gratuitamente con: La Unión Europea. Los Estados Unidos. Las empresas inversoras en el campo de los hidrocarburos. La Comunidad Andina de Naciones. No es poco moco. O mejor dicho: es demasiada arrogancia para un par de miserables iletrados. Pero además, han estrechado o establecido relaciones con: Irán. Libia. El ALBA. Las FARC. El resultado de esta tristísima tendencia suicida del hombre que no lee y que es hijo de un monolito; pero que además come coca en vez de tomar leche, y que por añadidura no trabaja, porque ya suficientemente lo ha hecho a lo largo de sus 250 años de vida, es que quienes podrían invertir en Bolivia, escuchan este nombre y de inmediato padecen de urticarias masivas y prefieren meter su plata en el mismísimo infierno antes de hacerlo en nuestro país. Y en contrapartida ¿qué? Se hace amiguísimo de: Pordioseros (el ALBA). Terroristas internacionales (Libia, Irán y las FARC). Extorsionadores (Hugo Chávez). Ahí está la explicación de por qué más dinero entra en Bolivia de manos de albañiles, cultivadores de frutas y hortalizas e institutrices bolivianos y bolivianas que trabajan fuera del país, que de poderosos inversores. Y no es que despreciemos el inhumano esfuerzo que hacen nuestros(as) compatriotas que se han exiliado por problemas económicos y por falta de oportunidades en su tierra. No. Pero lo que pasa es que lo hacen llegar al país no alcanza ni para el comienzo, pero sobre todo, que lo que mandan a sus parientes en Bolivia, no está destinado a la inversión, sino a la sobrevivencia. Y así nos va. 5.- CORRUPCIÓN DEL MAS ALTO NIVEL: EL PALACIO QUEMADO EN ACCIÓN.- El ministro Juan Ramón Quintana aparece subrepticiamente en el escenario de los hechos y hace que 35 'tristes camioncitos' con capacidad de carga de 10 toneladas cada uno, repletos de contrabando, desaparezcan como por arte de magia y vuelvan a manos de sus 'dueños'. Si hacemos aritmética, son 350 toneladas de contrabando. ¿Electrodomésticos? ¿Armas? ¿Precursores químicos para fabricación de cocaína? Sólo en los cír****s más altos e íntimos del Palacio Quemado lo saben. Y para completar el pase de magia, Quintana hace aparecer una partida de cascos y escudos, importados legalmente por la Alcaldía de Santa Cruz, como si fuesen destinados a 'fomentar los enfrentamientos entre hermanos bolivianos'. Resultado: el 'contrabandazo' de los 35 camioncitos de Quintana, bien gracias y en destino seguro. El canal 7 de propiedad del MAS, donde Quintana funge como presidente de su directorio, hace una compra de aquéllas: aparatos que en el mercado son encontrados a $us. 17.000,00 (precio al por menor), son comprados en $us. 90.000,00 (¡precio unitario y al por mayor) mediante una licitación amañada y diseñada para una empresa específica en particular, pero que además, se 'clona' y aparece ofertando lo mismo, en la misma licitación, con precios diferentes, pero con nombres diferentes. O sea: el ministro Quintana, sabiendo que tiene un séquito de abogados que arregla las ilegalidades que se comete, pero que además ya es el 'súper hombre', incluso por encima del mismísimo 'Honoris Causa', no se hace problema en actuar a la luz del sol, de frente, prepotente y seguro de que no hay quién le pueda hacer sombra, y hace lo que hace. Si total, es el dueño de vidas y haciendas en este pobre país. Concluyamos: No cabe duda de que la soberbia del poder político vuelve locos a quienes jamás lo habían saboreado. Pero, los poderosamente políticos no se habían dado cuenta de que la economía había sido una dama arisca y caprichosa. Esos políticos poderosos no tienen la más remota idea de cómo manejar la economía. Y está cantado: si antes no son los movimientos cívicos y departamentales que le tuercen el brazo al 'Honoris Causa', será la economía que lo demolerá. Entonces veremos a los S.S. gimiendo de hambre y desesperación, traicionados por los 'revolucionarios' de cartón y espectando una vez más la repetición de nuestra secular Historia: los políticos salen del poder repletos de dinero y con 10 de sus generaciones aseguradas en medio de la opulencia, mientras que los siempre vilipendiados, los siempre pobres, los siempre marginados, serán más vilipendiados, más pobres y más marginados. Peor si fue por causa de sus 'hermanos' k'aras que los manipularon a su gusto y sabor. Y aunque parezca paradójico: con todo, estas son ¡buenas noticias! Lo son, porque nos muestran que la gran esperanza que significó el 'Honoris Causa', se convierte día a día, en la mayor de las traiciones inferidas a un país de menesterosos e ignorantes. ¡Ciertos pueblos tienen los gobernantes que se merecen!

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon @ 12:30

Your post is so replete of protestant prejudice that it reeks of central Minnesota.

12:54 PM

I was afraid that you were going to catagorize the protestant prejudice as reeking of all Minnesotans. I "resemble" that.

Buffy :)

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 3:29

Leer tu resumen ma de una pena infinita.

I wish someone would translate the jist of the post, it's very informative and unfortunately true.

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's elect Mcbush and Palini.
What they will terminate the world.
Self destruction of banks, insurance companies, inflation, unemployment, crime, fear, ...

They will continue destroying the entire country.
So who is stupiter? the civicos and croat nazis destroying democracy in Bolivia or the ultra righ wing republicans who are destroying the Usa.
We may be ignorant and brwon but we care about the earth.
You people the wanabees and real oligarcs are just EVIL.
Sorry human trash, destroing the middle class and poor all over the world.

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anon @ 6:14

Are you a sockpuppet?

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim, could you please explain how did these guys from La Paz end up dying in Pando? http://culpinak.blogspot.com/ Pando is way out there in the woods, mostly if not only accessible by plane (not a cheap ticket)Is it true that they were recruited by the government? http://www.ernestojustiniano.org/wordpress/2008/09/hitler-indigena-desato-su-ofensiva/

7:22 PM  
Anonymous Adri V. said...

Ha, ha, ha, ha.....

Anon 3:23... QUALITY OF THE WORK!.....YUUHHHHHHH HUHUHUH

HEEE....HEHE.HEHE. COUGH..COUGH...COUGH!

Excuse me.... "compañero"..

Pheeew! Don´t do that, man, I´ll have to thoroughly clean my keyboard from this coffe spill.

Ok, am I being mean?. Mean as in a person who kills a baby ? or worse, one thousand babies.? Does anybody know how many babies were killed by the massacre ordered by King... during baby Jesus times... I don´t remember his name...was it two thousand? But, anyhow.

Do you want to talk about mean people guys? I hope not everybody feels like Anon 3:23.

Here, an excerpt from a book I just received... find it quite interesting and related to what´s happening in the Bolivia of Evo Morales:

"Adolf Hitler knew that he could never overthrow the existing German Republic and name himself Fuhrer without the aid of a carefully stage managed crisis. In early 1933 the German Weimar Republic was awash with different parties lobbying for control. Although the Nazi’s had the majority, this was not enough to
give Hitler the unchallenged and unaccountable office he craved. Furthermore, the Nazi’s were losing momentum in the months preceding the election, which
was set for March 1933.
When Herman Goering took control of the Prussian state police, he replaced officers loyal to the Republic with officers loyal only to Hitler. These SA and SS
were trained to despise so-called enemies of the state and after raiding Communist headquarters in Berlin they acquired a full roster of Communist Party members. The round up list was already in place. Hitler had erected the police state he would later put to use in anticipation of the imminent burning of the Reichstag.
In February of 1933, Herman Goering, Joseph Goebbels and Hitler finalized a plan to cause chaos by burning the Reichstag parliament building and then blaming it on their political adversaries, the Communists. The three had obviously studied the actions of Nero hundreds of years before. In the week preceding
February 27, a mentally retarded Dutchman named Marinus van der Lubbe wandered around Berlin attempting to set fire to government buildings. The state
police, now under Hitler’s control, refused to arrest him.
After stalking the area all day, on the night of February 27, van der Lubbe somehow managed to break in the guarded Reichstag. He removed his shirt and set it on fire, vainly attempting to spread the relatively confined blaze to a wider area within the building. He received a large dose of help when Hitler’s storm troopers, led by SA leader Karl Ernst, used an underground passageway that
connected Goering’s cellar with the cellar in the Reichstag. They entered the building and scattered gasoline and incendiaries to feed the flames. Once they
had suitably increased the blaze they escaped back through the tunnel.
Hitler and Goebbels, his propaganda minister, immediately rushed to the scene of the fire and screamed at German news reporters that the Communists were to blame. Hitler stated, "You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in German history...This fire is the beginning," and from this moment onwards the official story of the ‘Communist plot’ was repeated ad infinitum across the world’s
media. Hitler called for the activation of the round-up plans he had arranged before the burning,
"The German people have been soft too long. Every Communist official must be shot. All Communist deputies must be hanged this very night. All friends of the communists must be
locked up. And that goes for the Social Democrats and the Reichsbanner as well!"

Of course Croats are not Jews, nor are they communists. But what´s happening in Bolivia looks pretty much like a turning of the roles. The staged crisis, the propaganda, are basically what you could call THE REVENGE OF THE COMMUNIST! (NERDS).

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah 759:
The croat nazis are in Santa Cruz exterminating the brown bolivians.
Hitler was german? Austrian? Jew? Who cares he was a murderer like the Costas, Fernandez, Marinkovic, Banzer, Natusch, Pinochet, Garcia Meza,
Criminals sponsored by we know who, and blessed by the catholic church.

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah 759:
The croat nazis are in Santa Cruz exterminating the brown bolivians.
Hitler was german? Austrian? Jew? Who cares he was a murderer like the Costas, Fernandez, Marinkovic, Banzer, Natusch, Pinochet, Garcia Meza,
Criminals sponsored by we know who, and blessed by the catholic church.

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you do if you are living in a country where a government looks like taking back thousands of acres of your land (most of which you stole but hey you have been allowed it up to now)? Or perhaps you are a business leader who has proudly had government in your pocket, yet now they pay little attention to you and keep doing things that just don't make "good business sense." Or perhaps you are white and a small minority in a largely indigenous country but have always had members of your family in power, and suddenly the government is taken over by loads of ignorant people who look frighteningly like your sweet housemaid.

Well I guess you might look at changing the national government, but they have received more votes than you ever did, so you opt to take control of local government which is a bit easier. Then you push for more power and autonomy. When the government doesn't look like giving you what you want, still keep their money on the purse strings on which your local power depends, and worse of all threaten to deepen their programme of changes, you start to get desperate. Maybe you decide to organise some strikes, marches, pay bands to write cheesy lyrics about freedom, hope bit by bit you can make the central government's work impossible and that their supporters will start to wane.

Then you have a referendum, and you can't believe how stupid your own countrymen are because they vote in ever larger numbers for the government - even goddamit from your own region. Hey, isnt democracy meant to be on my side? Isn't that what Bush promised? What is one to do?

8:18 PM  
Anonymous Adri V. said...

HEROD!!

That´s it, Herod is the King that ordered the killing of all babies in Bethlehem...

I knew I would remember...yippi yeah!!

8:11 don´t agree with the term exterminating. Just look at the statistics. Cambas are like collas and worse they really know how to make babies. Thank God since the last 25 years there has been a decrease in mortality rates. So I think you should say white and well-off people in Santa Cruz don´t care about giving great opportunities to dark skinned or even light skinned persons of lower social status. But that´s it. Nobody is exterminating anybody.

8:18, I agree with you. That´s pretty much what I think is the boiling room of the Santa Cruz resistance to Evo. You´re right on money, cowboy!
But I think the biggest fear in general and not only among landlords is the uncertainty of what the programme of changes really entails. A Castro regime? or worse? Zimbabwe?
I saw a documentary about the first years of Mandela´s ruling where white people actually fled the country with the feeling of having become less than a number. "Irrelevant" is the word they used.

8:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Adriana @ 7:59 PM

OH NOOOO.... GODWIN'S LAW has been INVOKED!!!!

True desperation -- breathless denunciations that Evo Morales, a Native Bolivia, is somehow comparable to Adolf Hitler.

** smacks forehead **


You are dumber than your politics, Adriana ...

9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it interesting none of the lefties here have tried to refute Anon 3:29s prognosis for Bolivias economic future, thanks to Mr Morales incompetent three ring circus.

I guess it's better to throw around accusations and insults then to analyze the realities of Morales decisions on the economic future of Bolivia.

Carry on.

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:18, I agree with you. That´s pretty much what I think is the boiling room of the Santa Cruz resistance to Evo. You´re right on money, cowboy!

Adriana, don't you even know when someone is pulling your leg? Or are those kinds of nuances beyond your comprehension?

"programme"? (8:54 PM) So you don't have an American English background? What does that say?

Buffy :)

10:58 PM  
Anonymous stretch said...

The biggest problem Bolivia faces is corruption and it crosses all political parties there. When a majority of government jobs are based on political affiliation instead of experience the country is never going to meet its potential. I was astounded when friends lost their technical jobs with the change of parties in power because of their affiliation. You can't have progress with instability like this. When Evo first came to office I was very worried for Bolivia given his socialist background but I was pleasantly surprised when he took on some of the corruption within government by taking care of high government officials putting themselves on the payroll multiple times. I cringed when he talked about the government taking over the petro/gas industries but his renegociating the percentages that Bolivia gets from its natural resources was a good decision for the country. Though I don't agree with his politics I give him credit for doing some good for the country.

I'm am surprised as some have noted that these uprisings are being villified while the same sort of uprisings that led to Evo's election were held up as heroic. It would have been better if both had been peaceful and not resorted to violence and destruction. I think that it is a good thing that the indigenous population is fed up with the government not representing them or helping them better themselves. Given the history of the frequent changes in power there all the parties have failed at helping them. They should expect their government to do everything it can to help them help themselves but it seems that they expect the hard work of others to be taken and given to them with no effort put out on their part. Taking the fruits of labor from one group and giving it to another is not going to solve the problem, only placate one group of people for a while. The government needs to "teach them to fish, not just give them fish" as it were. I think Jim's (I think it was Jim's) suggestion of a compromise where the states get more atonomy while the federal government still gets a percentage of profits to put towards improving opportunities for the indigenous population is a good one. Unfortunately corruption on both sides at all levels will need to be erradicated for this to be successful and corruption is so deeply rooted I fear that this is not possible.

I think my suegro told me that agrarian reform has happened before in Bolivia and the result was that the receivers of the land over the course of years turned around and sold the land back to the people it was taken from. That may not be true but it was a warning he gave me when we were considering buying land near Samaipata. If that is the case then agrarian reform was a failure and will be a failure again.

The violence and destruction that has occurred the last few weeks is unfortunate but was this an act of the entire movement or a more radical few? The people that I know who support autonomy are not people who would condone this.

There are contradictory reports of what happened in the Pando, each pointing to the other side as the one responsible. Those who are condemning people for "genocide" are showing their bias. Given the zeal for the government to label it as such doesn't give me much hope for an unbiased investigation into what happened though. Just as an aside, the labeling the deaths as genocide is puzzling. Although those siding with MAS want to paint the pro-autonomy movement as racists, I see indigenous people in the rallys supporting autonomy. This is a political struggle, not a methodical plan to eradicate a race of people.

Bolivia is a country with great potential but is being held back by corruption and its government current and past. Although it is rich in natural gas and petroleum it can not afford to rely only on that for its future. It needs to build its infrastructure, make it easy to get goods to outside markets and develop its tourism potential (more bio-diverse areas than Costa Rica). Instead of pushing the USA away the government should be negotiating better with them to lift import taxes, to help Bolivia meet certification standards for fruit and vegetables. With the way things grow in the lowlands Bolivia could be a large exporter of fruit to the USA. Move the cocaleros from a coca crop to a profitable crop that can be exported instead of putting all the money paid to help eradicate these crops into the pockets of politicians.

I am not Bolivian, my wife is and I have lived, travelled and worked there over the last 20 odd years and these are my opinions based on my experience and I may be completely wrong in some of my understandings. Even with all the time I have spent there and discussions with my relatives there I do not think you can really have a good handle on the politics of a region unless you have actually lived there a long time. All of you who spout left or right wing rhetoric as part of your posts are part of the problem, not the solution. If you are interested in helping your country look at both sides and try to come to a solution that most everyone can agree with.

BTW, for those of you who like to use the word fascist... fascism is defined as a regime that stands for centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic (Nationalization of industry, high taxes and tariffs)and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. Seems like the opposite of Autonomy...

11:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'I agree with you. That´s pretty much what I think is the boiling room of the Santa Cruz resistance to Evo. You´re right on money, cowboy!'

Cowboy...are notorious racists and genocides against indians. So its no surprise that cowboys are attacking indian Morales, while calling their genocidical violence 'resistance'. Murder and wanton destruction is not resistance.
Antidemocratic violence by white racists should be treated as a crime.

11:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the record: Morales and his govt are very popular, with most Bolivians. AS we know, only a few violent and vocal racists are tryuing to destabilise Bolivia.
Proof is here:

'Now let's take the national vote in context to this one single province that lies inside one of nine departments that make up the entirety of Bolivia:

* Only three of nine provinces voted against Evo Morales as their President, namely Tarija (50.17% No), Beni (56.28% No) and Santa Cruz (59.25% No)

* The total number of Evo "NO" votes in those three states adds up to 520,314.

* These "NO" votes, which are in fact the total effective votes against the Evo Morales presidency, represent 15.44% of the total number of votes cast on Sunday 10th August (3,370,783). This is a far cry from the image of a country "divided in two" and more akin to a minor regional dispute.

* The province of Andrés Ibañez, holding the city of Santa Cruz de la Sierra, had 301,275 Evo "NO" votes as counted.

* Therefore we can say that the votes of one single province (basically one single city) represented 57.9% of the total effective autonomy rebel vote.'
http://boliviarising.blogspot.com/2008/08/bolivia-recall-referendum-final-numbers.html

'Bolivia's Morales emerges stronger from crisis'
http://boliviarising.blogspot.com/2008/09/bolivias-morales-emerges-stronger-from.html

11:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Estimado Anonimo @11:46:

He alli la simple verdad de la situacion Boliviana: El proceso democratico lo puso alli. Por mas que protesten estos gringos reaccionarios, esta es la simple verdad que no se va a poder ignorar, de que Evo Morales tiene un respaldo popular indiscutible.

Hay que trabajar con el, por que sin el va a ser otra dictadura autocratica ensangrentada.

Jallala!

2:27 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

Meanwhile, despite the talk of accords and pre-agreements, campesinos continue to encircle Santa Cruz to put a strangle hold on it to force their will down the throats of the populace. Their demand, similar to when the did the same thing with La Paz in 2003, is that the leader step down. From the mouths of their own leaders, they are responding to direct instructions from morales. Once they have blockaded Santa Cruz and prevent all moevement in or out, air or land, they will wait. This will lead to escalation of violence. It begs for violence. morales could stop it.

7:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 11:46 and 2:27 reflect two big things that are wrong with the country and MAS in general.

The first, conveniently twists the truth and lies in order to make his point. It is not just A SINGLE province that opposes Evo, but AT LEAST a third of the population. Clever wording would like to misslead people into believing that only 10% are against him. Now let's be clear the vote was not in support of Evo, but a voto revocatorio. something completely different that running against other candidates. I know several anti-Evo people that voted yes, simply because they did not want to support Costas and not because they believed Evo is doing a wonderful job.

So what if half the NO vote comes from Sta. Cruz? Does that give you the right to ignore and INSULT them? They still have rights and democratically elected leaders. It smells like you want to impose a facist regime that tramples against the rights of a minority.

Finally, the other anon reflects exactly what is Evo's trademark: Hatred. He has no idea who Anon 11:46 or who the people opposing Evo are, but he already calls him "estimado" and goes on and insults all of us that disagree with SOME of the things going on in the country. Personally, I think Evo could not do a worse job managing the economy of the country or setting up a productive base. I highly question his links with Soros, whose inmensly profitable San Cristobal mine is the only large Yanquee Corporation in Bolivia and has not being nationalized, and his need to have dinner with him everytime he is in NYC. He has done nothing about corruption going as far as protecting corrupt Masistas or in the case of Rada/Quintana enabling them to steal even more form Bolivians. He has ruled by decree when convenient, but he is letting the Anti-corruption law linger in congress.....however, just because I think giving Bonos left and right, according to these I'm a gringo reactionary married to balkanzing croats who is hell bent on planting radiactive waste in schoolplaygrounds and at night I go out in El Alto and kidnapp little children so that I and Goldberg can perform our protocols according to rules set by the elders of zion in my mansion in the zona sur, which of course was paid for by Banzer and Marinkovic.

These people need to realize that no human is infallible, that we all cannot simply agree on everything. That some of us do want to help the poor, that we simply believe that teaching them how to fish is better than giving them a fish once in a while, and that does not make us "gringos reaccionarios" or " violent and vocal racists are tryuing to destabilise Bolivia"

9:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 9:45

That would make too much sense.

I find it odd that when people realize I'm anti Evo they automatically assume I'm Marinkovics nephew.

The small pea brain mentality of "if you're not with us you're against us" is counter productive.

It is possible to be against Evos government and his circus of clowns and at the same time be against Costas & Marinkovic and their 'Nacion Camba' and UJC allies.

12:21 PM  
Blogger mgrace said...

Norman:
The roadblocks are coming down tomorrow morning, according to a travel agent I talked to today (I'm an hour away from them).
One might disagree with the roadblocks (I do), but your demonization of of the peasants who are manning them is pretty stupid. Not everyone is an armchair analyst like we are, and gee--the people are a little upset.
BTW: The oppo had FIVE roadblocks set up between Santa Cruz and Cochabamba. I only counted one roadblock by the campesinos coming out of Santa Cruz, so one could argue that they are being a bit more moderate than the oppos who block roads, beat people, and burned buildings.

2:18 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

McGrace, what the devil are you talking about?!? Did I say ANYTHING about road blocks? I could care less about the roadblocks. It's when they march into the city that I get concerned. In the interviews with campesino leaders that I've seen they themselves indicate their intention to march into the central plaza 50,000 strong to demand Costas resignation, a highly unlikely event and thoroughly undemocratic. I've been here long enough to see the effects of these "social movements" when they marched into La Paz in 2003, Sucre in 2007 and into Cochabamba in 2007. They never come looking for conflict, but they always come ready for one. These had rifles aloft. In 2003 the miners brought dynamite to the party. The autonomistas or UJC or Croats or whichever "demon" you prefer will not stand still for it. That means more bloody conflicts are likely if your friendly peasants make it to the center. It doesn’t matter to me who is at fault if my family is placed at risk. When the heck did you get here anyway that you don't know all of this?!? Look, I don't mean to insult but honestly, ignoring history and blithely assuming all will be hunky dory given recent events, well that, IMHO, would be stupid.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mgrace doesn't know history. At most I would expect him to only know one half of the Zarate Willka's story. But of course he wouldn't imagine that indigenous have practiced cannibalism on their opponents. You don't even have to go too far in history to know that Bolivian soldiers were eatean by Achachi natives.

I'm not saying that they would BBQ Uninistas, but they can be rather violent. May be mgrace should turn on the Telepolicial on RPT (a rabid pro-MAS medium) once in a while.

5:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oops that is Achacachi, there is a reason why no government has ever tried to set up a military fort over there.

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Adriana V said...

Buffy,

So you think Anon 8:18 was pulling my leg. Well, first of all he did not address his comment to me, so that already proves you wrong. Second, the comment is quite reasonable in terms of what a landowner might be thinking and feeling, if you don´t agree is because you probably never talked to a ganadero.
And excuse me. I can´t answer your last question. SWWWOOOSSSSSHHH! Please indulge yourself.

6:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Un Concepto para pensar:

La Tiranía de la Mayoría

La regla de la mayoría (50%) en la que se basa la democracia puede producir un efecto negativo conocido como la tiranía de la mayoría. Se refiere a la posibilidad de que en un sistema democrático una mayoría de personas puede perjudicar o incluso oprimir a una minoría particular. Esto es negativo desde el punto de vista de la democracia, pues ésta trata de que la ciudadanía como un todo tenga mayor poder.
Para aplicar este concepto en Bolivia, consideremos, en base a las últimas elecciones presidenciales, cual es esa minoría sujeta a una posible tiranía de la mayoría: el 46% de la población votante. Esta cifra, si uno confia en la CNE, se ha disminuido al 32% luego del ultimo referendum pero sigue siendo muy significativa.
Con la finalidad de evitar una tiranía de la mayoría, en democracia se protege a las minorías a través de una Constitución, la cual podrá ser modificada de forma legítima pero generalmente solo cuando simultáneamente se mantiene una SEPARACION DE PODERES (ejecutivo, legislativo, judicial). Dicha separación de poderes impide que una mayoría poco unánime, llámese el 54%, o el 67% imponga su voluntad.

Existe una separación de Poderes cuando el Poder Legislativo, en cualquiera de sus instancias, sesiona sin oposición? Existe una separación de Poderes cuando el Ejecutivo facilita estas sesiones mediante el uso de la fuerza, la intimidación o poder disuasivo de las fuerzas del orden o grupos sociales afines a su ideología?

Y que del Tribunal Constitucional? Hoy no existe. Tenemos en Bolivia hoy solamente dos poderes del Estado (ejecutivo y legislativo) y nadie puede negar que el unico poder que hoy se ejerce es el EJECUTIVO.

Todos los conflictos recientes en Bolivia tienen sus raices en los varios DECRETOS SUPREMOS emitidos. El uso indiscriminado del decreto supremo, muy de moda ultimamente en Bolivia, elimina la separacion de poderes y debilita la democracia.

Los que dicen que Evo, Fidel y Hugo son democratas son ciegos, cinicos o simplemente mentirosos.

Es una VERGUENZA NACIONAL lo ocurrido en Santiago este lunes pasado. Solo demuestra que Bolivia es ingobernable para el presidente Morales. Se puede culpar a quienquiera para defender a Evo pero la realidad es que el no puede (o no quiere) gobernar en todo el territorio nacional. No interesa aqui si los civicos son intransigentes, rebeldes, racistas, etc. Lo primordial es que el Presidente de la Republica tiene la OBLIGACION de gobernar el pais en su totalidad. Si esto implica algunos departamentos autonomos u opositores, sera su mala suerte de no haberles convencido de su plan de revolucion. No se puede gobernar con decretos y estados de sitio porque no es sostenible. Si Evo tuviera algo de paciencia y realmente buena voluntad de dar bienestar al pais en su conjunto, podia haber cedido antes de las muertes, las cuales eran totalmente predecibles. Si sus planes de gobierno son tan positivos, por que la oposicion tan violenta? Por favor, dejen el argumento falso que la oposicion son unos cuantos delincuentes. No es el momento para demagogia. Seamos realistas, existen visiones de pais que no son compatibles. Si Evo no ha logrado convencer al oriente de las bondades de su plan de gobierno, tendra que abandonar o modificarlo si quiere mantener la integridad territorial.

Las muertes en Pando son ultimamente la responsabilidad del Gobierno por no haberlas prevenido. Lastimosamente, prevenirlas implicaba retroceder en sus objetivos politicos. El ego de Evo es mas grande que el puede admitir y ni las 15 o 30 o cualquiera fuese la cifra le va a obligar a cambiar de opinion. Pero aun, Evo, bien aconsejado por extranjeros, sabe que una intervencion militar en Bolivia no va a venir. Cuantos murieron en el Congo antes de la intervencion de la ONU? En Haiti? En Yugoslavia? Decenas de miles. Estoy seguro que la oposicion no esta dispuesta a sufrir esa cantidad. Esta dispuesto Evo? Solo el tiempo dira pero el "dialogo" actual no va a llegar a nada. Hasta fin de mes, considero que estaremos iguales o peores que la semana pasada.

Ruego que alguien del "Democracy Center" nos haga un analisis y critica real, serio y academico de lo expuesto. Por favor abstengan los que insultan, etc.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Las muertes en Pando son ultimamente la responsabilidad del Gobierno por no haberlas prevenido. Lastimosamente, prevenirlas implicaba retroceder en sus objetivos politicos. El ego de Evo es mas grande que el puede admitir y ni las 15 o 30 o cualquiera fuese la cifra le va a obligar a cambiar de opinion."

El ego del ex-prefecto Fernández le llevo a la cárcel. El ego de la UJC le llevo a la fractura. El ego de unos cuantos racistas destruyo la estabilidad del oriente. El ego de los prefectos los llevo a la nada. Ahora los prefectos "opositores" están sentados, “dialogando”, temblando con sus colas entre las piernas, como los canes que son.

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The medialuna "prefects" sit down to dialogue.

http://www.eldeber.com.bo/

http://www.eldeber.com.bo/vernotaahora.php?id=080918101749

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Es interesante como salen las ratas, denunciando a la voz del pueblo, llamandola 'la tirania de las mayorias,' una vez que las elites pierden su lugar en la politica.

Usando esa logica, no queda otra que concluir que lo que se necesita es un dictador Camba (alguien como Hugo Banzer seria lo mas apropiado), que regale tierras indigenas a sus compinches recistas. O fallando aquello, un rey, con su sequito aristocratico; un grupo de personas cuya mayor preocupacion seria ser y ser vista en la San Martin en el Barrio Equipetrol

Vayanse al carajo, parasitos.

8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cuáles ratas? De qué hablas anon 8;34. POR FAVOR.
Permite que por lo menos los comentarios de quienes apoyamos a Evo Morales esté libres de insultos y bajeza.

10:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Croats, Marinkovick, Costas, Dadoub, all the 50 cent whores who are called magnificas plumas:
Please go home to Miami and leave Bolivia free of your scum, ignorance, inmorality and corruption.
goldberg is waiting for you in Florida where you already have huge bank accounts and mansions.
Fernandez was the experiment, we believe that you once the Expo ends, you will continue with your subversion and killing of inocent poor people.
I hope Fernandez does not escape from jail, afterall all his money can buy corrupted policemen. He should be placed among the poor prisioners and hopefully they make him happy every night.
Evo should not trust the Civicos, they are liars just like their masters up north. Palinmania.

11:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Evo haters are out in force. There tactic is to smear Evo with the sort of character they embody: hateful, lying, violent and vicious.
What they dont tell us is their racial hatred of bolivian indians, social justice, and preference for the use of violence, as recent events demonstrate.

Brian

12:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2008/septiembre/juev18/38bolivia-i.html

12:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 9:45:
'That some of us do want to help the poor, that we simply believe that teaching them how to fish is better than giving them a fish once in a while, and that does not make us "gringos reaccionarios" or " violent and vocal racists are tryuing to destabilise Bolivia"'

You sound like a desperate gringo seeking to return Bolivia to a whites-rule right wing state, where the native bolivians, which you are not, are kept under the jackboot.

But try not to lie so openly...its embarrassing.

Brian

12:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stormin Norman:
'It's when they march into the city that I get concerned. In the interviews with campesino leaders that I've seen they themselves indicate their intention to march into the central plaza 50,000 strong to demand Costas resignation, a highly unlikely event and thoroughly undemocratic'

You have the cart before the horse..Its your buddy Costas who has launched a campaign of violence to draw Morales into using state force. the better to cry repression, and further escalate his violence.


Morales and his defenders have been to deferential. Costas should be in prison for inciting terrorism.

Brian

1:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I find it interesting none of the lefties here have tried to refute Anon 3:29s prognosis for Bolivias economic future, thanks to Mr Morales incompetent three ring circus."

"I guess it's better to throw around accusations and insults then to analyze the realities of Morales decisions on the economic future of Bolivia."

"Carry on."

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Anon 9:36 PM sounds like he lives in a bubble.

In my opinion, the current US administration is the biggest "leftie" in the planet. Their latest bail out of AIG is, in two words, “socialized" capitalism.

Bush's former money guru, Greenspan turns out to have been a charlatan whose words and deeds created a global mess.

Franco

1:21 AM